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Series 8 Will Be Darker, More like Classic Who

doctor-who-series-8-filming-capaldi-clara-tardis-queen-streetBen Wheatley, director of the first two episodes of Series 8, has said Peter Capaldi’s debut run will herald a return to Doctor Who’s classic era roots.

Speaking to io9, he said: “Doctor Who is pretty dark, I think. Generally it’s dark, it’s always been dark. Even in the more modern ones. If you look at the Tom Baker stuff, it’s especially dark. When he leaves Leela — who’s a very beloved assistant — he just laughs after it. There’s none of the [breaking down and crying]. He just laughs, and “on to the next one,” you know. It’s a bonkers show. It’s a monster. To have a unity that runs eight years [of the new series]… it’s pretty crazy. They’ve done everything, they’ve tried all sorts of stuff. It seems to me the episodes that we’re doing now seem more like classic Who. We’re going back to that style. But you’ll have to wait and see.”

On Capaldi he said: “With someone like Capaldi, he’s a massive Who fan. He knows Who inside out. And everything he does is very, carefully planned and thought about. I remember when they first started talking to me about doing it, and I was very nervous for just those reasons. How do you shape this performance? But then when I heard who was going to do it — when they told me it was Capaldi, [I thought] that’s not really a problem. He’s so good. I was relieved, pretty much. It would have been a very different situation if it had been another kind of Matt Smith character. A guy who you don’t know. Molded from the start. But with Capaldi, you look at his career and you look at his performances they are all so brilliant, and all so different as well. It was a lucky break for me, I think that.”

Elaborating on how he got the job directing the episodes Wheatley said: “It was something I sought out. I got my agent to kind of badger them about doing, because I was a fan as a kid. But also because my kid was a fan of the show and I wanted to make something that he could see, for a change. That was it. And it’s been very geeky indeed. Going into the TARDIS, I held the Sonic Screwdriver the other day, and that was a particular thrill. All sorts of stuff. Also stuff I can’t talk about, that’s been very, very exciting for me.”

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raingembowrocks
raingembowrocks

You've redecorated the comments section, I don't like it.


Venawesomeo
Venawesomeo

The prominence given to the directors is really confusing me lately. The only presence I really feel are those of the actors, writer and Moffat. 

Nor do I understand talk of Peter Jackson wanting to direct an episode. What can he do by simply directing it? He won't be involved in producing or writing it so he won't exactly be able to put his spin on it. All it will maybe do is attract LOTR fans who love him and haven't ever watched DW.

Polyphase
Polyphase

 If you look at the Tom Baker stuff, it’s especially dark. When he leaves Leela — who’s a very beloved assistant — he just laughs after it. There’s none of the [breaking down and crying]. He just laughs, and “on to the next one

This is without a doubt the most important part of Doctor Who that has been mostly ignored in the new series. I am looking forward to an alien Doctor again, One who doesn't fall in love with us apes one who has more of a protective nurturing role :)

HelloSweetie
HelloSweetie

If River slapped this one..do you think he'd slap back?

DaireConstantineOReilly
DaireConstantineOReilly

Filiming news is quite slow this week. Pity, series 8 is gonna be amazing hopefully.

VERITASERUMUK
VERITASERUMUK

Sounds great to me. The classic series had some great episodes. Shame they did not have the same budget and technology as today.

stargazer0118
stargazer0118

It could be good, it could be a let down. It depends on the execution and quality of the story. We need  change, that's for sure. 

naoise406
naoise406

I think something that would really stir things up would be to kill off clara in the first episode. Let's face it clara has beew an awfull companion so why not shock everyone by killing her off. Tj

That would be some way of showing that it's not a childish show. Also then peter capaldi's doctor could have a motive; to track down who killed her.

Beasts_a_Snarling
Beasts_a_Snarling

Directors are very important my friend. They are the painters of the screen, the translators of the script, the commanding officer of the film crew, etc, etc, etc.

Adric the Genius
Adric the Genius

@Polyphase I like it when the Doctor sets humans to the side and concertrates on other races more.  What would be really interesting would be for Capaldi to pick up a new, alien companion alongside Clara.  They could travel to the other companion's home planet, under invasion by brutal Earth forces, but ones whom are looking for a home and are in great suffering.  The Doctor would have to choose who to help, and if he thwarted the humans and even destroyed them it would make for very interesting television.

Adric the Genius
Adric the Genius

@HelloSweetie I'd like it if he did.  He doesn't have to take abuse like that from her, and she would finally realise that hitting people comes with consequences.

theshipoftime
theshipoftime

Can we just be done with River now? She's moved so far away from the enigmatic character she was in Silence in the Library that she's in danger of becoming a parody of herself.

naoise406
naoise406

@VERITASERUMUK  Totally agree. Also can't believe I'm the first person to say this but I love your videos, keep up the good work!

Adric the Genius
Adric the Genius

@naoise406 And at the same time, he could pick up a new, alien companion, and the narrative could finally move away from Earth.  We are not the only beings in the universe, and the Doctor should realise that in his choice of companions.  It has been many years since we've had an all alien TARDIS crew.  There was Turlough in Planet of Fire, but really the last time was the Fourth Doctor, Romana II, Adric and K9 Mark II.

Notsosmartguy
Notsosmartguy

Clara is by far the best companion (besides Sarah Jane Smith) I really don't get all this hate towards her.

thesnarkyfangirl
thesnarkyfangirl

@naoise406  I think that Clara is a fantastic companion. The reason some people don't like her is because she was a mystery in season 7. Now that we know the answer to her mystery, she has the chance to be better developed. I like her as she is already and I am very excited to see her character grow. 

VERITASERUMUK
VERITASERUMUK

@naoise406  Why do you not like Clara? Granted she has not had the best start as a companion but with a bit more work done she could easily be in my top 3.

ilyootha
ilyootha

@naoise406  Disagree entirely. Clara is currently my favorite companion and is confirmed for the entire Series 8 anyway. And Capaldi's Doctor already has a motive.

JamesStroud
JamesStroud

@Mikel c Personally I much prefer the Directing in the RTD era, certainly in Eccleston's series. Recently there have been breaks in the flow and its such a shame. DOTD was well directed, but there were the odd cut that seemed out of place

naoise406
naoise406

@Mikel c  Yeah, like Utopia that's a real "sloppy" episode for directing. I mean who the hell is Graeme Harper? *SARCASM. In my opinion directing doesn't really matter in doctor who, it all depends on the writing. Unless it's an episode that has brilliant sites in it like Galifrey or something like that, I don't really see the directing making such a big difference to the episode. For instance if I look at these two episodes Midnight and The day of the doctor, Midnight isn't directed very well but the day of the doctor is. Yet I still enjoyed Midnight much much more because in my opinion the day of the doctor is far too childish and there is too much fan service in the episode but in Midnight it is terrifying yet a incredibly intriguing look on humanity and society. Now i'm not saying that every episode has to be like that, but it was just a good example. Just my own personal opinion.




















































Judge Claude Frollo
Judge Claude Frollo

I agree with you there.

I liked the RTD era, but the camerawork ruined some otherwise good episodes (The Unicorn and the Wasp, etc.)

BJAMES
BJAMES

@Adric the Genius @Polyphase I agree about the addition of an alien companion. Having an alien travel with the Doctor has always made for some great storylines in the DWM comics (Destri), and the BF audios (C'Rizz), both Eighth Doctor era storylines. I suspect perhaps the budgetary concerns of providing a convincing alien regular on the series might be a factor, but characters like Vastra and Strax prove it can be done. It would provide some tension as the Doctor's friend would have some challenges blending in to other alien cultures. Come to think of it, how about more alien cultures on the show, period!

naoise406
naoise406

@DaireConstantineOReilly  In my opinion he was just childish and stupid but then when the writers decided the episode should end he suddenly became serious. Whats's alien about that? I think that's just poor character development.

naoise406
naoise406

@Adric the Genius @naoise406  Although I am getting fed up by the companions constantly being 29 year old girls from present Britain I would still like plenty of episodes in present day because when you see cybermen or whatever walking around in present day it seems a lot more real.

naoise406
naoise406

@Notsosmartguy  Clara is one of the worst companions ever. This isn't my opinion it's just fact. Everything is wrong with her. Far too perky and annoying, terrible character development and bad actress. Also she is just like every other Moffat female character, at times, because she is never the same person. The writers clearly don't know what her character is.



naoise406
naoise406

@thesnarkyfangirl @naoise406  Clara is one of the worst companions ever. This isn't my opinion it's just fact. Everything is wrong with her. Far too perky and annoying, terrible character development and bad actress. Also she is just like every other Moffat female character, at times, because she is never the same person. The writers clearly don't know what her character is. Also I don't think her just being a plot device, like Amy, is really an excuse for simply not having a character.

ChildoftheTardis
ChildoftheTardis

@thesnarkyfangirl @naoise406  I couldn't agree more! Love Clara and super excited to see what they do with her character! I feel like she has the misfortune of Martha. Martha came after someone like Rose, who is almost impossible to beat but i adored her. Clara has to come after Amy, who like Rose, is hard to compare to. Anybody that came after Rose or Amy would be hard for the fans to love. 

naoise406
naoise406

@ilyootha @naoise406  Good point that Capaldi already has a motive I didn't think of that. But seriously Clara is one of the worst companions ever. This isn't my opinion it's just fact. Everything is wrong with her. Far too perky and annoying, terrible character development and bad actress. Also she is just like every other Moffat female character, at times, because she is never the same person. The writers clearly don't know what her character is.

Adric the Genius
Adric the Genius

@ilyootha @naoise406 She might not be really in all of Series 8.  It could be a lie, the ultimate surprise.  Also, what exactly is interesting about Clara?  She's just another twenty something human 21st Century girl.  Like Amy, Martha and Rose before her.  To me, the best and most interesting companions are those like Romana, Adric, Adam and Mickey.  I have to admit, sometimes a relatively young, fun companion entertains me, like Sarah Jane and Harry Sullivan.  But with Clara, the concept is tired and overdone.  She simply is boring, and thus I dislike her a lot.

Venawesomeo
Venawesomeo

Favourite companion?!?!?!?! Okay, maybe she isn't the worst (Martha was... ahem), but there's nothing about her that's interesting, IMHO. 

Pray tell exactly why she is your fave?? I'm genuinely intrigued. Some people seem to love her for some reason and I really don't get it (maybe she's just one of those love/hate characters, perhaps?).

DaireConstantineOReilly
DaireConstantineOReilly

Clara is a pair of legs that's it very backwards for a 21st century TV show, Clara is an idea not a person she is a 2 dimension eye candy for the purpose of the series 7 finale, she can't act and all her lines are one liners, she's not real like Amy,rose, Donna etc. If your gonna have a modern girl then at least make her a real woman who travels with the doctor by accident. She needs to go I'm sorry whovians don't hate me. Shes a pretty girl and that's it. They need a strong women of 29 or 30 or so female character for Capaldi.

KingOrokos
KingOrokos

@naoise406 @Mikel cMidnight is FANTASTICALLY directed - you can't make a story set entirely onboard a Space Mini-Bus feel energetic and pacey without some decent camerawork, after all. Doctor Who has always been well directed, in the new series at least, which is why so many people don't seem to appreciate direction. If they started bringing in a bunch of rookies, everybody would soon realise why camerawork is important.

HelloSweetie
HelloSweetie

Oh, I don't know about that. I could never picture her and Smith going past kissing but with Capaldi?..I can imagine some Buffy/Spike style boot knocking around the Tardis (Clara's hiding in the zero room)

ilyootha
ilyootha

@naoise406 Posting your opinion three times in a row doesn't turn it into a fact.

ilyootha
ilyootha

@naoise406

How it is a fact? You can prove it or something? It is some established truth or what? You think she's the worst companion, you find her annoying, you think she is a terrible actress. It's the matter of tastes and opinions. Well, perhaps her lack of character development can be considered as fact, but it still doesn't automatically make her a bad companion, and certainly doesn't turn that into a fact.





SolarEclipse
SolarEclipse

@ChildoftheTardis @thesnarkyfangirl @naoise406  I concur. Poor Martha! People were so mean to her. There is still Martha hate! I for one love her to pieces. I love Clara even more and i am psyched to see what they do with her this season ! She is my favorite companion of all time. 

LeelaFunnyFace
LeelaFunnyFace

@ChildoftheTardis @thesnarkyfangirl @naoise406  I like clara too and i feel bad for jenna because people give her issues when she is a great actress! if you have a problem with what she says and does, blame the writers of the show not jenna. and i agree that clara is underrated because she came after amy, although i wasn't a fan of her. she was too mean for my taste, especially when it came to rory. she only acted like she loved him when she thought he was mad or he was gonna die. frankly, it was annoying. 

ilyootha
ilyootha

@naoise406 It's not a fact! Everything you said is subjective, it's just your opinions.

naoise406
naoise406

I'm sorry but that comment really pained me to read. " She's quick - witted, funny, independent, kind and very caring. " - my reaction : AHHHH! I think what's happened here is the writers clearly don't know what Clara's character is and you've taken this into thinking that she's great because she has lots of different characters. Yeah, no it's more like she's just a completely different character in every episode because her character hasn't been given any care from Moffat at all. Her personality is a mess.

ilyootha
ilyootha

@Adric the Genius

For example, she is the first companion to travel in the TARDIS on her own conditions and keep her job while traveling with the Doctor.

I agree that having modern-day-Earth girls as companions is getting boring, but even the various modern-day-Earth girls we had are different from each other, and of them all Clara is my favourite. Although I too miss the likes of Romana or Jamie (but no Adric, he is my least favourite companion of all times!)





naoise406
naoise406

I'm sorry but that comment really pained me to read.

"She's quick-witted, funny, independent, kind and very caring."-my reaction:AHHHH! I think what's happened here is the writers clearly don't know what Clara's character is or who she is, because Moffat is an awful showrunner, and you've taken this into thinking that she is great because she can be all these characters. Yeah, no it's more like she's just a completely different character in every episode because her character hasn't been given any care from Moffat at all. Her personality is a mess.

"Although traveling was always her dream, Clara is not ready to abandon her life and go traveling with the Doctor full-time, which happened with pretty much all the other companions, so it's nice to have a breath of fresh air." Yeah, I also think if it's stupid, out of place and unneeded but a breath a fresh air it's good. So you say you 'like it' how she has a dream for travelling wich was established in her first adventure but she still can't run

ilyootha
ilyootha

@Venawesomeo

Well, perhaps not exactly the most favourite (Romana or Zoe may beat her), but certainly one of. Maybe she didn't have much developement yet, I still like her very much.



She's quick-witted, funny, independent, kind and very caring. Although traveling was always her dream, Clara is not ready to abandon her life and go traveling with the Doctor full-time, which happened with pretty much all the other companions, so it's nice to have a breath of fresh air. She is brave, especially when someone close to her is in danger, but she still can get scared. She's also quite pretty :) I also like the chemistry between her and Eleven, the two make up the most enjoyable TARDIS team to watch. 


I wouldn't say Martha was a bad companion either, but I can see where are you coming from here. Rose is actually my least favourite NewWho companion, Martha may be a less fleshed-out companion, but at least she wasn't as annoying as Rose.