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Major Series 8 Villain Revealed?

river-spoiler-journalHas a major Doctor Who villain for Series 8 been revealed?

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LawraChe
LawraChe

Perhaps Clara is the Master. The Doctor makes comments to her about them being the same age, and how she has let herself go. She tells him to shut up and do as he is told, she is as adept at flying the TARDIS as River was...I think we still have not learned who Clara really is.

oOCaptainCrazyOo
oOCaptainCrazyOo

I think that Charles Dance would be fantastic as the Master!  He's a brilliant actor!

Noybusiness
Noybusiness

I actually like that idea. The Master pretending to be a past Doctor.

JoshDallagiacomo
JoshDallagiacomo

How about this for a twist Sylvester McCoy as The Master?  :O

acousticwolf
acousticwolf

We don't need the master back! How about creating a new "classic" villain instead of keep revisiting old ones.

Noybusiness
Noybusiness

I doubt it, but that's actually a great idea. I don't think even the spin-off media have done that.

Richy Woo
Richy Woo

So am I alone in thinking that the Master might very well be this new Danny Pink fellow, or at least Danny Pink might be the Masters henchman?.

TheOncomingHurricane
TheOncomingHurricane

If it is Dance, then after his performance as Tywin Lannister in Game of Thrones, it's something I very very much support.

DawnTime
DawnTime

Oh no not the Master again!!

PhotonFromOz
PhotonFromOz

I for one would love to see a return to the traditional style Master (don't forget the beard guys).

Oliver J. "cool"
Oliver J. "cool"

I hope Danny Pink wont turn out to be the Master. The thought makes me shudder.

JakeHall1
JakeHall1

I was at the McCoy stage talk in Newcastle on Saturday when he said this.  He said "I know who the next Master is... He's very scary." because we were talking about his thoughts on Survival, the last serial of the classic series. :) 

He sounded genuine but he wouldn't be an actor if he could pretend to feel emotion or act a certain way.  It could just be a joke.  He's very mischievous.

Maryanne123
Maryanne123

Sorry if I am repeating myself defending Simm here but let's separate the actor from the role. it still rankles me so much that he was served so poorly by RTD. Grrrr.

Polyphase
Polyphase

I would be happy if it's not Simm, He was the most unconvincing master of them all. It needs to be someone evil and scary. Idris Elba would be fantastic :)

Oncoming_Badger
Oncoming_Badger

If you've seen Tywin Lannister, Charles Dance would be amazing. But what would be even more amazing is if Natalie Dormer turned up alongside him as the Rani.

Maryanne123
Maryanne123

I hope that they can get John Simm back to regenerate into say Charles Dance as it would be a great piece of continuity and also provide closure for Simm who has indicated how dreadfully unhappy his experience in RTD's Who was. Simm is a great actor and allowing him to do this would help erase the awful dialogue and manic acting he was forced to do. This will also give him more positive memories of Doctor Who. C'mon Moff make it happen - only takes one little scene and we know you love your Who continuity and you respect the Who family.

ShaynePC
ShaynePC

You know who it is that it's going to be? It's the Rani!!!!






AlexanderofAlzarius
AlexanderofAlzarius

I remember thinking when I saw Charles Dance in Bleak House that he would make a good Master.

Handles
Handles

If this is true, I really hope it doesn't mean that the Doctor is going to find Gallifrey at the end of Series 8. That would be a rather pitiful conclusion to what should be a fairly long story arc.

rden94
rden94

I honestly don't want an older master again. I don't think moff has the chops to be able to make an ongoing conflict between two men exciting without the ability to have them run a lot. Besides, a old doctor, young master dynamic would be so interesting. 



Timhogan
Timhogan

Ya know what would be really cool, a classic Doctor playing the Master.  I mean if The Doctor can revisit old favorites, and Romana can choose what she looks like, shouldn't that mean the Master could?  Especially if he wanted to try to trick the Doctor!

Seaborn W Deadman
Seaborn W Deadman

Not to start a massive war, but...it could be a woman. (Runs and hides)

Seaborn W Deadman
Seaborn W Deadman

I could see Charles Dance. After all, everyone was saying Capaldi and it turned out to be true, maybe there are insider sources leaking info somewhere on the internet :)

DC815
DC815

I can't wait until we see him. They picked a fantastic actor! I hope Simm returns to do the Regeneration though!

TheDimensionalist
TheDimensionalist

I do hope the master comes back, I've been wanting him back for awhile. I wonder if he and Danny Pink have anything to do with each other...

Wimsey
Wimsey

Bringing back the Master (when it happens) will be interesting, because the Doctor (probably) now is in a set of time-lines where Gallifrey was never put into a time lock.  Thus, the only Masters he could meet are ones in which the events of "End of Time" never happened!

IceRabbit9
IceRabbit9

@acousticwolf  because the old ones are what keeps people interested. 'The new ones' are going to be 'The old ones' at some point anyway, so there's really no point. Besides they are creating new villains anyway, so why does it matter who they bring back, you're still going to watch the episodes. 


PotatoMidget23
PotatoMidget23

@Richy Woo  I was thinking the same thing! It would be pretty cool having someone who you thought was a companion turn out to be one of your greatest enemies!

Maryanne123
Maryanne123

Not Simm's fault. He is a great actor. He was forced to play it that way because of the way it was written for him to match Tennant's acting style. Simm is very discreet but if you read his later comments or see any of his bits from Confidential at the time you can see how desperately unhappy he was at the time being forced to act the role like a demented loon. I wish Moffat had brought him back to play off Matt so he could have had an opportunity to play the part in a more measured way and against an actor of his own calibre. One of the great What Ifs in NuWho.

AlessandroArsuffi
AlessandroArsuffi

@Polyphase "The most unconvincing Master of them all". Just out of curiosity, are you including the 1996 version of the Master?

Wimsey
Wimsey

@BadWolf2  They won't ever use "evil" again: NuWho isn't that sort of show.  After all, in reality, nobody says: "I am evil!": people who do unethical things do so because of mental disorders of some sort or another.  Most of the time, they firmly believe that they are working for some greater good that other people do not see because of stupidity or because they are evil.  Thus, the Master or any other antagonist works only as a sociopath or something like that.  

SteveWillis
SteveWillis

@Seaborn W Deadman  I would find it annoying that they thought it was more suitable to make the Master have a female form, than introduce an existing villainous timelord who is female (The Rani).

Balatsoukas Pavlos
Balatsoukas Pavlos

@Wimsey  Let's not forget that we haven't seen all 13 incarnations of the Master. It could be an incarnation even before Delgado's... However, it is an interesting idea, all this time-lock thingy and the "End of time" events, after the Day of the Doctor...



nathew
nathew

Gallifrey was in a time lock either way. The only thing that changed is that rather than being destroyed it was trapped in a pocket universe.

Most likely the master will escape from the pocket universe having regenerated somehow after his conflict with rassilon.

andyot7777
andyot7777

@Wimsey  Those events were never rewritten. They always happened that way. Gallifrey was NEVER in a time lock. The Doctor only THOUGHT it was. The reason he still couldn't reach it is because it's stuck in another universe, sealed away. The events of The End of Time occur BEFORE the The Day of the Doctor in the timeline. Rassilon's plan happened before The Doctor wondered about using The Moment. Which means that The Master went back to Gallifrey BEFORE it was sealed away in another universe by the 13 Doctors and their TARDISes. So nothing was rewritten, there is no timeline changes. The Master is with the rest of the Time Lords, and since he's with them, the only way he's coming back is when they come back.

AlessandroArsuffi
AlessandroArsuffi

@PotatoMidget23 @Richy WooNot very original in the Whoniverse, tbh. Turlough was more or less the same thing (of course, he was just a puppet in the hands of the real villain). Still, I prefer Danny Pink to be a real straight companion, I really want somebody to side Clara and have no mystery on his own.

Seaborn W Deadman
Seaborn W Deadman

I think he could have been with better writing. He was certainly a much lighter Master than some other's we've had, but that's regeneration for you :) His manic eating thing in End of Time was kinda creepy to me, but not really...The Master. I liked him better cold and calculating, like in the classic series. Oh well. Let's wait and see if he comes back to regenerate and get some redemption under Moffat's writing :)


AlessandroArsuffi
AlessandroArsuffi

@Lady Jayne 1 @PolyphaseTom Hiddleston was my favourite candidate in case of a younger Doctor. I know he's great as a villain in the Marvel Universe, but I'd rather prefer he replaced Capaldi in 3-4 years when he decides to leave. The Master and Loki are far too similar characters don't want Hiddleston's immense acting skill to be compressed in a single kind of role.

Seaborn W Deadman
Seaborn W Deadman

That's true. I'm really hoping for the Rani. But I don't want to get my hopes up too high. Moffat isn't that nice :)


Wimsey
Wimsey

@andyot7777 @Wimsey  Um, no.  Rassilon and Compny were in a Time Lock, as was clearly stated in End of Time.  They said so.  Remember, if you travel in time, then you always create multiple realities.  Moreover, there has to be "leading edge" of time with no future, and thus no future Doctor to provide the option of doing something different.  So, what we now have are two alternate histories: one in which the Doctor time locked Gallifrey, and one in which he didn't.  (The Time War itself did a lot of this: remember, a lot of histories were drastically altered, which means that there are time streams in which those things happened and time streams in which they were not.)



Noybusiness
Noybusiness

@andyot7777 @Wimsey The entire war was in a Time Lock, the Council referred to it in "The End of Time". It was set up earlier in the war. The Moment was able to breach it to bring the War Doctor into contact with Ten and Eleven.

nathew
nathew

Gallifrey was time locked during the time war.

AlessandroArsuffi
AlessandroArsuffi

@Seaborn W Deadman I agree. Although I think Simm was a good Master on many grounds, I recognize he was just influenced by the Doctor he was facing. He was born thinking that he wanted to become as young as the Doctor, and he resulted in a flippant Master. Post mortem Master is quite different, though. His voracity and bestiality is really creepy. There's something of the Cheetah Master from Survival, mixed with the decadent Master from the Deadly Assassin. A regeneration might help him return to his "pure" form, as it seems Moffat is undoing some of RTD's most controversial choices (Gallifrey's destruction by the Doctor, the Tenth Doctor's vanity issues and The Master, it seems). Moffat is turning back to the Classics but still in the vain and format of the New Series.