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Colin Baker: Tennant & Smith Brought Female Fans to Doctor Who

tennant-smith-behind-the-scenes-clip-daySixth Doctor Colin Baker has said that David Tennant and Matt Smith are responsible for bringing a female following to Doctor Who.

Speaking to RCNTV about Peter Capaldi, he said: “Peter’s a grown up, not like all these bloody kids who’ve been playing it for the past 10 years! I’m glad an older actor has been asked to play the part.

“To be fair to both David and Matt they may be young in years but their performances convinced me they were 900-years-old going on a 1000.”

He adds: “And they’ve got a female market now as a result of those two young guys. Girls are now watching it. Hopefully they will continue to once they see and older man playing the part.”

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Elionu
Elionu

Tennant and Smith may have brought us in, but a lot of us stayed for the excellent writing of Seasons 1-12

DDBlue
DDBlue

You know, I'm female & I watched DW long befor DT and MS. I think the girls who watch because the Doctor is cute, are not real SCI Fi rans anyway.

Stradiwhovius
Stradiwhovius

Capaldi is quite the silver fox. Just throwing that out there.

jackrudrum
jackrudrum

Just putting it out there some of the fan girls (some not all ofc ) really p*ss me off.... mainly the ones that post all these bloody gifs etc about "sexy doctor" or how hot they think Tennant/smith is and so on. A few of them I d I wibder if they really like the show or just the actor-guess we will see if they stop watching the show now (I have a friend who stopped watching when david t left and used to claim she was a fan-my reaction was one of "what the...? How can you be a fan if you arent willing to give a new doctor a chance." Answer is you cant be.) Still.. wish they'd tone dowb the stupid gifs and memes abit thats not who/what the doctor is suppossed to represent and its pretty much an insult to the character and writers to treat him like that. (They do it to bennedict cumberbatch/sherlock too and moffat sometimes sems to encourage that far too much...

DeanAlexander
DeanAlexander

Baker age when played Who = 39

Ecclestone age when played who = 39

Tennent age when played who = 34


Matt Smith aside, Baker doesn't know what he is talking about.

DawnTime
DawnTime

Well I am a woman and I have been watching for 35 years.!

Romanadvoratrelundar
Romanadvoratrelundar

I'm glad that they created appeal for females, I know a lot of people who became interested in watching Doctor Who because of Tennant and Smith and came to love the show for different reasons. However, if they're going to stop watching just because Capaldi is 'old' then so be it, we don't want you in this fandom anyway. Go and fangirl over Destiel or something (no offence to Supernatural fans, but you know what I mean).


It kind of reminds me of when I was in the line to get John Barrowman's autograph, this REALLY loud and annoying fangirl was behind me raving about David Tennant and I heard her say "I'm worried about Capaldi because he's meant to be a bit older". I wanted to reach over, strangle her and say "I'm a 19-year-old 'fangirl' and Hartnell is one of my most favourite Doctors."

After all, Capaldi said it right, he's technically about 950 years too young to play the part.

Rawry_Williams_Pond
Rawry_Williams_Pond

Reminder for Baker defenders. Same man who when fans were cheering for Tennant at a convention rolled his eyes and pulled a face. Especially since they were mostly women. God forbid people appreciate David was a good looking guy as well as an amazing actor.

Two years ago he said he didn't consider female and male fans different. Now he infers women came in solely because one of the three modern doctors was conventionally good looking, one was young, and forgets the third entirely. If this isn't more about a continuing strop about the 50th using women as a soft target with pointed sexism, and an amount of ageism to boot, I'll eat my hat. The man never gets tired of being a drama queen.

Riversmith
Riversmith

I don't think it matters why people watch Doctor Who.

Whatever the reason they start watching, they'll stay watching based on characterisation (and plot) rather than looks alone.

Sure Matt and David are attractive but Matt, in particular, was very adept at portraying a mad, old man in a young body, which made for an interesting and unique Doctor. And that's what counts.

I'm sure Capaldi's Twelve will have his own appeal and hopefully attract even more viewers while retaining most of the existing fanbase.

Polyphase
Polyphase

Yes, When I grew up I never met a girl who would watch Doctor Who(hardly any boys for that matter). I suppose it had a lot to do with the fact that it was regarded as childrens program in Australia back then and was televised on weekday afternoons at about 4:00 pm. I guess the Aussie censors never watched it.

Girls are also waaay different now as well

Rawry_Williams_Pond
Rawry_Williams_Pond

Women have suffered in the shadows of the boys club for geeks for too long. If male geeks felt ostracized from the alternative of jocks and preppies in school, at least it was acceptable for them to be ostracized together. This woman remembers how frozen out of that world she was since age 4 when she was told she couldn't have a G.I. Joe Cobra toy and was given a Barbie. Watching my brothers play with transformers and He-Man toys while I got stuck with baby dolls that cried and strawberry shortcake would be the beginning of a lifelong exclusion from the world of "man things." Continuing into high school where I was shunned from gaming get togethers, ignored in comic book shops, and still today am fighting to be seen as legitimate a fan as my male counterparts even though I've read more science fiction books than the majority of the population and my comic collection puts most men to shame. But I have the wrong chromosomes. I only like stuff when it's "pretty." *rolls eyes* Gimme a break. Colin's comments are sexist and ageist. Two could play that game. I could say male ideas like his belong in the last century. Where he's from and should stay there. Oh wait, I just did. Guess that's the shrieky female in me. Must be because I don't find Colin fanciable. *more eye rolling* It couldn't possible be, because he's consistently a twat. Oh noes, more bile. I must be on my period or something. I'll remember to change my tampon and close the boys only clubhouse door on the way out.

SephoraNeedSeries8
SephoraNeedSeries8

I like Colin. I really do. But if Moffat said a thing like that, the internet would explode with accusations of misogyny.  

needcomicmoney
needcomicmoney

He's right. My wife lost interest after Tennant left. But now my mother has expressed interest in seeing Capaldi in the role, so he will attract a different generation of female fans. 

MrRazza, General Rogue Timelord Identifier
MrRazza, General Rogue Timelord Identifier

"And they’ve got a female market now"


Colin, I am utterly disgusted. 

What on Earth possessed you to say such a thing? 

How can you... 

START A SENTENCE WITH A COORDINATING CONJUNCTION!?!?!? 

sontaran17
sontaran17

Please tell me everyone realises the "Bloody Kids" is a joke

JFrance
JFrance


The age of the actor shouldn't matter really. If the actor can play an old wise alien from the planet Gallifrey then that should be fine. Its the portrayal of The Doctor that shows his age not his body. 

doctorwhomultiverse
doctorwhomultiverse

Sometimes I wonder why we even have these debates as it seems pointless arguing about who are true fans as it is some elitist society in which you must be a "pure" true whovian or you won't be accepted.

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

@jackrudrum I completely agree. Also, I don't even understand how Benedict Cumberbatch and Matt Smith are considered good looking. Matt Smith, I guess, at a stretch, has a cute-ish quality. But Benedict Cumberbatch is just weird looking.

ClaireAbraham
ClaireAbraham

@Romanadvoratrelundar The people who run Doctor Who aren't running a fandom purity litmus test. They want people to watch the program and buy the merchandise, period. Beyond that, they hope that the people who were attracted to one Doctor - and I am an example of somebody who fits that description - will fall in love with the concept of the show as a whole and stay with it when the Doctor who drew them in is gone. 


I think Capaldi could be a wonderful Doctor. I am looking forward to seeing how he does. Having an older Doctor (who has very advanced acting skills) replace a very young one may be a wonderful opportunity to show the fans of Smith and Tennant the wondrous flexibility of the character. (And yes, I agree with Stradiwhovius that Capaldi is really quite the silver fox, so the question of him being attractive is not a dead end at all.) 


All television shows, to some extent, rely on the physical attractiveness of the actors to sell the show - including Doctor Who.   Pertwee was older, but quite handsome; while Troughton wasn't handsome, he was immensely likeable and appealing in other ways. Tom Baker oozed so much presence and charisma every time he hit the screen, you didn't really notice that he wasn't a pin-up, while both Davison and McGann were actually more conventionally handsome than even Tennant was. 


Colin was not attractive in his awful costume and his portrayal of the Doctor was not appealing; that, along with some terrible writing and production decisions, basically killed the show for awhile. Having a Doctor that draws in the viewer does actually matter, although different men have found different ways to do that.  Having a couple of cute Doctors in a row (who could both act their asses off) did grow the fanbase, and that's a good thing.  Now it's time to go in another direction with Capaldi. 


While some people here want certain fans to leave the fandom, the BBC does not; they just want those certain fans to expand their horizons and deepen their experience with Doctor Who.

jackrudrum
jackrudrum

See I wish more of the 'fan girls' were like you I think my female friends are unfortunately split into the "actual fans of the show" and "fans of the actor/actors" not that I'd dare tell them that :p I'd prefer to live to reqch my twenties :p (oh and then there are the ones that are real fans but still do some of the weirder aspect of it and take some of the fan stuff too far... not gonna lie I dont understand that AT ALL, as a guy I dont think we do that about anything/anyone... or maybe its just me and everyone I know lol I think you must know what I mean...)

CassaraRadio
CassaraRadio

@Romanadvoratrelundar A+. I look forward to the fangirl purging of 2014. As much as I love 10 and 11, I want to see more Doctor Who: Flawed Alien God, not The Doctor: Quirky Cute Boyfriend 

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

@Riversmith It does matter to an extent. In that, the BBC, or whoever is in charge of that specific thing, does make decisions, to gain as big an audience as possible. Therefore, actors, are chosen, partly for their looks. Though while the actors playing The Doctor are not always conventially good looking, the companions always are. That probably being because Doctor Who is a prodominantly male orientated series. - Although when it comes to 'fandom's, many of the posts seem to come from girls. Even more interestingly, these same girls (who post about the actors, and how good looking and awesome they are) don't tend to go on these kind of sites (Doctor Who TV) and actually talk about the show itself.

This matters, because the programme then becomes too reliant on the actors, and aware of the fans, and scrifices potentially better actors/storylines because of this.



Temporal Tomato
Temporal Tomato

I imagine they removed most of it, a lot of the censor clippings from lost episodes came from Australia, and several Tom Baker stories were heavily edited to fit the "Children's Program" image.

Elionu
Elionu

@Rawry_Williams_Pond Which is funny considering that the main audience for the other long-running sci-fi show (Star Trek) has ALWAYS been young women, while the writers and studios have always assumed their largest audience is young men. Shows how much they know.

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

@Sephora36 that's just because, he is the current head writer. The same would probably apply, though less so, to Russel T. Davies.

Polyphase
Polyphase

@Sephora36 The article above is edited, The full article doesn't read anywhere near as bad :)

SephoraNeedSeries8
SephoraNeedSeries8

I also fail to understand why Tennant and Smith are always seen as the first ones to be attractive. I might be blind, but in my book, Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Paul McGann and Christopher Eccleston are all very good-looking. Even when the Doctor was older, there was often a younger male companion (Ian, Jamie, Ben, The Brigadier, Harry,....) and always an attractive female companion (Barbara, Zoe, Jo, Sarah, Tegan, Peri,...). Nothing new. Stop this non-sense already.



Temporal Tomato
Temporal Tomato

Well, there's only one way to explain it. The REAL Colin Baker wouldn't use a coordinating conjunction at the start of a sentence. He must be... THE RANI!

doctorwhomultiverse
doctorwhomultiverse

I would not say really say "wise" as he is a mad man in a box and some of the things he does are crazy and dangerous so probably not wise but definitely knowledgable.

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

@doctorwhomultiverse The debates aren't about who the true Whovian is. It's more about, people being in disagreement over whether or not he is joking. And the general sexist/judgemental attitudes.

JackArtaganMackenna
JackArtaganMackenna

I love it when people accuse ''the fangirls'' of being shallow and then prattle on about how ''weird'' looking the actors are, as if that isn't shallow itself.

Romanadvoratrelundar
Romanadvoratrelundar

@ClaireAbraham That's basically what I said. I'm not talking about people deciding they don't like Capaldi's Doctor, I'm talking about people who refuse to give it a chance, who say that the show is now "ruined". 

And it's not fair to base the success of the show on the attractiveness of the Doctor - have you seen Ian, Steven and Jamie? Did it ever occur to anyone that people might want to watch the show, say, because they're attracted to Danny Pink?




Romanadvoratrelundar
Romanadvoratrelundar

@jackrudrum I know what you mean, I've seen some of the fanfiction :P I agree, the show isn't about the Doctor being attractive. I mean, I'm not going to lie, I do enjoy watching attractive people on TV (Tennant and Smith included), but it has nothing to do with my reasons for watching or loving DW. Besides, the Doctor always has great looking companions - why do you think I love Steven Taylor so much? I must admit, Danny Pink isn't looking too bad from my perspective...

Romanadvoratrelundar
Romanadvoratrelundar

@CassaraRadio Thanks man. I agree, I think this will be a true test and will really distinguish the true fans from the 'fangirls'. I'm really looking forward to the Doctor being my grumpy and quirky uncle again, I always feel that way when watching the classics.

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

@DeanAlexander @Sephora36 It does link to misogyny.

Misogyny, being a strong dislike of/prejudice against women. It's relevant because, it is being suggested that women only like Doctor Who, to see the young, attractive actors, playing The Doctor. That is, of course, quite degrading, though does have a slight truth to it (meaning, sci-fi is a prodominantly male orientated genre. And so young good looking men do provide an incentive to begin watching Doctor Who).

Romanadvoratrelundar
Romanadvoratrelundar

@Sephora36 I agree, Peter and Paul were both young and - in my opinion - really hot, and Tom and Chris were pretty good looking too. Also, I hate how everyone raves about Jack and how original and attractive his character was, Steven Taylor was technically Doctor Who's first ever sexy space pilot from the future.

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

Neither I nor jackrudrum are just accusing fangirls of being shallow.

The point is that they (NOT ALL OF THEM) only watch the show, for the supposedly good looking actors, and stop watching when the new Doctor is older.

And my point isn't just that the actors are weird looking. It's that I don't understand how they are considered so good looking. I'm not judging them, or the programmes at all, so it's not shallow. I'm only saying it for the sake of contradicting their point, as it doesn't make sense to me.

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

What is.. Ohhhhhhh. Riiight. Well now I feel silly. That's really clever. Sorry. Me just being stupid.

Not sure whether it's because I just got it, but that is really funny.

Sorry for misinterpreting :p

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

@Romanadvoratrelundar @needcomicmoney @sontaran17 I don't necessarily think it is a joke. The fact that he says "To be fair..." afterwards, implies his initial thoughts of "bloody kids" are genuine. Also he keeps making comments like that (in other interviews), which makes it difficult to tell if he is resentful, or just bad at being sarcastic.

JackArtaganMackenna
JackArtaganMackenna

... Are you sure you're using the term ''objective'' correctly here, because as far as I know, there is no ''objective'' way to measure levels of attractiveness. 

Angie Whodini
Angie Whodini

Well, you're right that there is no objective way of meassuring good looks, but what is "conventionally attractive" at least in western civilizations, is pretty well established. Maybe not to say objective, but I'm pretty sure Who doctors don't fit that model, in general.

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

Sarcasm is something expressed in a person's voice. When written it can easily be interpreted either way.