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Two-Part Finale for Series 8

capaldi-series-8-gBased on filming it has seemed like there will be no two-parters in Series 8 of Doctor Who.

All the episodes that have been shot so far look to be standalone with different writers, stories and settings for each. However, there may still be hope for the finale.

It has been rumoured for a while that the grand finale will buck the trend and be a two-parter written by Steven Moffat. Possibly validating this is a Tweet from the apparent Twitter account of director Rachel Talalay, who hit the news earlier in the week.

The Twitter account is new and unverified, but if genuine she tweeted, “…Can’t believe it myself. taking lame-o selfies in the tardis. it’s finale. 2-parter. rest is top secret.”

So if anyone is missing longer stories, at least there may be something to look forward to at the end.

The original account has since been deleted. However, Doctor Who’s brand manager Edward Russell confirmed the account was real.

UPDATE: A new interview with Talalay reports that she will be directing the 11th and 12th episodes of the series. This corroborates earlier reports that the series has had a slight episode reduction with the 13th instalment becoming the Christmas special.

No spoilers are revealed, naturally, but Talalay speaks about how she is approaching her episodes: “Every episode of Doctor Who is like a mini-feature and they’re all completely different. They’re massive. I’m so excited to get to work with the show. When watch them, I just think, “This is so creative, this is so out there.” It fits into my kind of out-there, pushing-the-envelope, trying to give the audience something to grab on to… I don’t approach it in terms of, “What am I bringing that’s different?” I’m approaching it in terms of, “How the hell do you do this?!” It’s so hard! It’s so big and so hard and so ambitious. When you’re working with a wonderful script, you just think, “How to I tell this story beautifully and blow away the audience?””

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FreddieC
FreddieC

I'm disappointed about no two parters but if each story vaguely follows on from the other then I'm fine with that. Like in series one where the next episode starts after the other or is linked vaguely to a previous story.

DaireConstantineOReilly
DaireConstantineOReilly

So all the damn money got wasted on series 7 and the 50th Movie and now they have no money left, GREAT

WhoPotterVian
WhoPotterVian

I really hope it is a two-parter. Two part finales work better  as they lend themselves nicely to the epic feel of a finale.

KingOrokos
KingOrokos

Given how male-dominated the industry is, it's always nice to have a female director working in such a prominent position. Two-parter or not, I'm sure it'll be an excellent finale!

Unibot
Unibot

Moffat's two-parters are golden. I'm looking forward to this!

Benjamin Bradley
Benjamin Bradley

12 episodes 1 hour each perhaps? That would make me happy. It would also give the writers more room to flesh out their stories...

The Whoniversal Man
The Whoniversal Man

Well, this is pretty much the best news that could possibly emerge about Series 8, as far as I'm concerned! I'm really hopeful that this finale will deliver on the promise it already seems to hold. Nothing against The Name of the Doctor, but I definitely feel that giving plots - and particularly finales - a little more breathing room is always worthwhile.

Mercy Reborn2
Mercy Reborn2

I hope it will be a two parter and she seems so rapt in doing who , I think she will do very well. I am glad they got someone different , if she does well it might encourage other talented overseas directors to do Who.

CallumSimmons
CallumSimmons

I just watched both arrow season 2 and agents of shield season 1 finales which are 50 and 45 mins respectfully. They went big with these two and there were no plot holes, questions were tied up, battles were fought (a load of em) They brought together everything from the series of 22 episodes and even some stuff from season 1 in arrow's case. My point is both are amazing season finales that are satisfying in every way and have the same amount of time a who finale has and without leaving any plot holes or rushing anything. My question is if these two similarly packed shows can bring complex arcs to a close and do it without rushing any endings then why can't doctor who? In fact every episode of arrow is this length and always leaves you feeling satisfied and not remotely like its been rushed. Looking at some series 6 and some rushed endings of series 7 it doesn't make much sense why this is.


I love a good two parter so I'm hoping for a good finale. Name and time were some of my favourite finales yet but I still felt in name that they didn't end it that well as it was never explained how the doctor and Clara got out of the collapsed time stream plus the villain disappeared after a little bit and posed not much menace thereafter.


Now I'm not saying Arrow is better written ( I champion doctor who over everything) but in their season 2 finale they bring back the league of assassins from the earlier episodes and tie up 5 character arcs at once plus the villain is menacing has a purpose to his actions which resonates deep in anyone who would see it. Plus the show plays out in both past and present with the past giving context to the present. In the first 10 minutes so much has happened that you are hooked and the plot just takes you through the episode to a truly spectacular clash of hero and villain at the end.


If doctor who could produce finales of this calibre in storytelling and content then it would become truly incredible. Day of the doctor did this and more I just hope that capaldi's era can keep up that level of finesse.

Mercy Reborn2
Mercy Reborn2

she sounds so eager i think she will do her very best

Moves Like Jagaroth
Moves Like Jagaroth

“How to I tell this story beautifully and blow away the audience?”  Let's hope they achieve this.




newhorizons
newhorizons

Finally, double-parters! There were barely any good ones in Series 1-4, other than TEC/TDD and SITL/FOTD, but then Series 5-6 - had all fantastic ones. And then they were taken away, just as they were getting good! Never saw the logic in that! The finales were still as good as normal, but I miss a good old cliffhanger!



Planet of the Deaf
Planet of the Deaf

Just a thought, but the RTD series tended to have very lose arcs, thus had to have long 2 (or 3) part finales to makes them significant, whereas Moff tends to prefer much heavier and longer arcs in his series, thus when you get to the end of the series you already know what's going on, you know the main question of the series, whether it be the Doctor dying or Clara becoming the impossible girl, so the final episode doesn't have to be so long? 

Name of the Doctor, for example worked fine as a single parter because it wasn't in reality a single part episode, many parts of it had been set up much earlier - 

Trenzalore and the 'Name' issue in S6

Clara's fragments in Asylum and Snowmen

The Doctor grilling Clara in Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS


If all that exposition had to be included from fresh, it would have needed 2 or 3 episodes to cover.


Oodkind is foretold...
Oodkind is foretold...

I would be glad for a two-part finale. It's better to give the finale more room for development and easier to pick up the loose ends Moffat will inevitably leave around throughout the series. Name of the Doctor wasn't bad, but The Wedding of River Song would have made more sense as a two-parter, as it was a very convoluted plot that seemed to be awkwardly resolved in a rushed manner. The stories were more developed and less a bunch of conclusions to random plot points tied together.

I don't really mind the lack of two-parters throughout the series that much. There were good episodes, and it would be nice to have some more like The Empty Child, Age of Steel, Family of Blood and Silence in the Library, but there were also a few mishaps, especially series 5 and 6, which just led to poor viewership the second part. If they really have a good story, they are great, but it's a bit of a risk. If the stand-alone episodes are good and not rushed, there's not really a big incentive to bring them back, at least from Moffat's point of view.

JFrance
JFrance

I'm not fussed if we are getting one less episode this series. Its only one episode and anyway that remaining episode could be turned into a Easter special so you never know.  

Rainbow Kidneys
Rainbow Kidneys

... You know what would be incredibly amazing?! If, instead of getting 13 episodes with a 45 minuites lenght, we had 11 episodes with a 45 minutes lenght AND a 90 minutes long FINALE. That would be... 



.

*brain explodes*





ahunter8056
ahunter8056

Quite disappointing. Hopefully Steven Moffat (or whoever decides on series formats) has the sense to go back to the traditional (and in my opinion the best)  series format for Series 9 of an uninterrupted 13 episode run with about 3 or 4 two parters.

The Outer Space K9
The Outer Space K9

Thing is, as long as Doctor Who keeps getting quality writers and scrips, the stories are good and well directed I really don't care if there are men or women working on the show. This argument is ridiculous, as long as they do good work it doesn't matter. Besides I don't think there's a sign at the Doctor Who studios saying "Women's access denied".It's a matter of having the right qualifications for doing such a show (just as Talalay herself said) and it shouldn't be turned into another sexist criticism of Moffat. He's had enough of those already.

Master Michael Moon
Master Michael Moon

One two parter, and (hopefully) being the finale, is better than nothing. I would like to see the format of Series 9 revert back to the traditional one. Although I do believe each series must have it's own unique stamp. When Moffat took over, he wanted to shake the show up a bit. Not just in terms of story, but format as well. How episodes are shown to us is as important as what they are about in my eyes. Series 6's arc dictated the first series split that actually turned out to be successful because it left us over a summer with a jaw dropping cliffhanger. Although Series 7 had a very disjointed split, it still stuck to the 'blockbuster' format, but I think this was more applicable to Part 1. Part 2 had the worst bunch of episodes that I can think of since the revival; I'm talking as a whole here, not individually. But with Series 8, not only do we have a new Doctor, but it looks like we have an exciting build up to a two part finale that will hopefully be a competitor to the Pandorica finale of Series 5, in my eyes, not only the best story of Doctor Who, but the best finale ever. And I'm also glad a woman is getting the chance to direct not just one, but two episodes. Women need to get more opportunities to work on Doctor Who, certainly more writers. 


bl0ndie98
bl0ndie98

The format for series 1-5 was great and it worked brilliantly, why did it have to change

OncomingStorm in a Brownoat with a stake
OncomingStorm in a Brownoat with a stake

Shame there won't be two-parters inside the series. Oh well, I always thought two-part finales were the best way to handle it, it's difficult to squash a finale into one episode.

bl0ndie98
bl0ndie98

It's a shame that there aren't any more two-parters besides the finale, most of the best ever episodes have been two-parters. But oh well, it'll do :D

FreddieC
FreddieC

And they spend it all on new tardis's

capaldi3699
capaldi3699

Exactly, episodes should have been an hour each since the shows revival

PhilStewart
PhilStewart

@CallumSimmons Re your comment about Arrow and Agents of SHIELD finales, Doctor Who has one big difference: every episode is almost entirely unconnected to the previous one: new location, new characters, new story, new everything. It all has to be set up in the 50 mins; it's practically a Pilot for a new series every time. Furthermore, with the series finales, there's no previous 21 episodes of world-building and set-ups to resolve, it's just not that kind of show. So it's a bit harsh to compare it to the big American shows. 




Deus_Ex_Machina
Deus_Ex_Machina

Amen to that. Mind you though, Arrow doesn't need to spend time developing all of these new characters and explaining the story's setting. It's set in the same place with more or less the same characters in each episode. Doctor Who on the other hand completely changes every episode, with only the TARDIS crew staying the same. It means they can't just pick up where the last episode left off. They have to spend time introducing us to everything, and that takes away time that could be spent in other ways in the story.

Lord of Time
Lord of Time

I do agree with you that RTD two-parters were lacking, although I would add Human Nature/The Family of Blood to the list of good ones.

The Outer Space K9
The Outer Space K9

Sorry, that might be a bit harsh but I read a lot of articles lately calling Doctor Who and Moffat sexist and it's really annoying because it's completly unfair. I like to think of myself as a feminist but we shouldn't take this over the top.

ahunter8056
ahunter8056

@bl0ndie98 I completely agree. Whoever made the split decision for Series 7 and therefore messed up the format even for Series 8, I seriously question and do not understand their reasoning for that. Series 8 seems to be a step back in the right direction, but we're not quite there yet.

Planet of the Deaf
Planet of the Deaf

@bl0ndie98 But then some of the 2 parters weren't that good, and it seems that viewing figures for the 2nd part often seemed to go down. And the show had always changed, otherwise we'd still be getting 6 and 7 part 25 minute episodes!

Master Michael Moon
Master Michael Moon

@TheOncomingStorm Just look at TWORS. A decent concept but so rushed and a generally disappointing episode because it had no chance to breath. Name I thought worked okay because technically it was part of a trilogy, but this is pleasing news that we are at least getting one two parter, and it's only right that it's the finale. I wouldn't mind the format of future series containing a two parter opener and a two parter finale. That would work. 

FreddieC
FreddieC

There was no dr lite in series 5,6 or 7!

Ivegotkidneys is companionless!
Ivegotkidneys is companionless!

@TakeTheType40 @Ivegotkidneys Yh I disliked those episodes as well but apart from the only other episodes he written which I disliked are his christmas specials but like RTD he has written his fair share of average episodes like the beast below and the Angels take Manhattan

ProfWimsey
ProfWimsey

@PhilStewart @CallumSimmons Yes and no: each story is it's own story (and that's good), but most seasons have had over-arching plots that were central to one or more of the stories in that season.  Indeed, "Time of the Doctor" felt much more like a "over-arching-plot"-synopsis than it's own story: which is what I suspect it was!

Deus_Ex_Machina
Deus_Ex_Machina

Oh, and this is somewhat irrelevant, but I can't resist saying it since you brought up Arrow.

"Steven Moffat, you have failed this city!"

teddybowties - the one on FFN not Tumblr
teddybowties - the one on FFN not Tumblr

@Planet of the Deaf @bl0ndie98 I for one think that a return to that format might benefit the show. it allows the plot and storyline more time to simmer and become great, marinating deliciously, much like that donkey soup that is simmered for fifteen years, which no one on the internet seems to remember exists. ;) I know it does, because I saw it in a food show once. Sigh. it sounded divine. can you imagine the flavour inherent in such a soup? however, I would greatly miss the donkey. decisions, decisions. ;)





LucasW
LucasW

Series 6 had The Girl Who Waited where Matt barely left the TARDIS.

Series 7 had The Crimson Horror which barely featured Clara or the Doctor.

ahunter8056
ahunter8056

@supermoff @drjakeyoung @bl0ndie98 I disagree. In my opinion the Series 1-5 format was perfect and definitely the best format in Doctor Who history. Since Series 7 the format has been totally screwed up.