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Capaldi was Adamant About No Flirting in Series 8

sun-times-capaldi-2014Peter Capaldi is interviewed in today’s Sunday Times and provides some interesting insight into Series 8.

Despite being a life-long fan Capaldi said he needed to be convinced before accepting the role: “I didn’t want to be Doctor Who in a Doctor Who I didn’t like. I had to be convinced the I show was going in a direction I was interested in.”

Speaking about the Doctor and Clara’s relationship, he says: “There’ll be no flirting, that’s for sure. It’s not what this Doctor’s concerned with. It’s quite a fun relationship, but no. I did call and say, ‘I want no Papa-Nicole moments.’ I think there was a bit of tension with that at first, but I was absolutely adamant.”

Capaldi says the costume took a long time to choose: “I tried on everything anybody suggested. We’d go to a costume house and have huge, exhausting sessions of getting dressed up. It’s fine for about 15 minutes, but by the time we’ve done 3.5 hours, it’s like, get me out of this. The most ridiculous outfit, the one I loved, I looked like Count Arthur Strong with a real, old cardigan.”

His thoughts on the costume they finally settled on: “I think it’s quite a hard look. I always wanted him to be in black — I always just saw the Doctor in dark colours. Not tweed. Matt’s a really young cool guy — he can wear anything, but I wanted to strip it back and be very stark.”

In response to criticisms of recent stories becoming too ‘over the top': “We still blow a lot of s*** up. That’s very important, but it’s going to be a bit different from what we’ve seen over recent years. A bit more gravity. Some situations are more sombre and I think there are more rooted dramatic scenes. Over the past two or three years, which I’ve loved, there has often been a breathless vigour; we still have that attack, but we have another level of drama, another tone. And the scenes are longer.”

Below, Capaldi gives a hilarious response when asked how long his mother bought him the Doctor Who annuals.

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JonStephenson
JonStephenson

Sounds like Malcolm Tucker did the negotiating!  Good on ya mate!

Tbmferris
Tbmferris

I think he will be a wonderful Dr. Who. However, I still love David Tennant as the Doctor. He has been my favorite. I also loved the story lines during the Matt Smith years. The entire cast was brilliant!

AlexandraBest
AlexandraBest

Bravo that man! The constant flirting has been one of the low points of the new series, and whilst it was amusing to begin with, it's quickly become greatly wearisome, and I'm glad that the show is finally going to regain some gravitas, and possibly become properly for adults again, instead of recycling the same, cheap, kid-friendly innuendos.

Ottoman14
Ottoman14

Give the man a round of applause. Sexual relationships between 2100 year old Time Lords and humans can only be described as 'creepy'. It is like a human being having a sexual relationship with a hamster. Leave that to the humans. I'm thrilled they are going to amend this aspect of the revived show

VortexDan
VortexDan

I'm glad he's putting his foot down

dragonsfyre
dragonsfyre

Peter Capaldi: the best thing to happen to Doctor Who since THE WATERS OF MARS. 


Goodbye Adipose, invisible space-chickens and pumpkin-faced killer snowmen!!! Shut the TARDIS door on your way out!


DawnTime
DawnTime

I shall miss the flirting. I have been a fan for many years so am used to it not being their from the old series.  But I can see where Peter is coming from , I can also understand Steven M being a bit worried about loosing a lot of the new young fans we have gained with David and Matt, but have to take a risk on occasion. Really looking forward to the new series. I also admire Peter for not wanting to be in something he loved being bad. Well done .

Planet of the Deaf
Planet of the Deaf

The flirting comment is the one that's made headlines everywhere, but thinking about it 11 didn't actually flirt very much. More often it was women who flirted with him, with 11 reacting like an embarrassed schoolboy. Indeed in many ways it was 11's innocence which encouraged women to flirt with him, the gruff more haggard 12 will hardly give the sort of vibes that encourage that anyway!

10 was much flirtier, charm personified.

What I find slightly irritating is the implication that somehow Moffat is obsessed with flirting, and that Capaldi had to fight to force him to change his ways. It was Moffat who chose Capaldi, you don't choose a 55 year old, famous for playing Malcolm Tucker, if you want a flirty Doctor!

Diana van der Pluijm
Diana van der Pluijm

I am a fan of Capaldi already and I haven't even seen the first episode yet! Go, mister Capaldi, GO!

grabate
grabate

I have the felling Capaldi will play the Doctor his way right from the start. It took a few episodes for Tennant and Smith to find their footing and move away from how their predecessor played it.

whoaddictreviews
whoaddictreviews

Everything this man says!! :D I'm just simply hooked on it! They are finally giving me a Doctor I've wanted for years!! No bs! No Flirting! Can't wait for Series 8!!

Polyphase
Polyphase

 “I didn’t want to be Doctor Who in a Doctor Who I didn’t like"

Now that's a great start :)

“There’ll be no flirting, that’s for sure.

Woohoo :)

“We still blow a lot of s*** up. That’s very important

I'm just loving this man more and more:)

Benjamin Bradley
Benjamin Bradley

Longer scenes are better. 12 episodes is worth the price for quality. 

Mercy Reborn2
Mercy Reborn2

 to tell the truth I wasn't really comfortable with the flirting .I first started watching dw in  the 60s and I don't remember any of that. I loved River but maybe the flirting did go on too long


I think its really great that he didn't want any of it, he can see what Steven cant and that's a good thing I think Peter is amazing he knows what he wants and isnt afraid to get it






Oodkind
Oodkind

The more I hear about Capaldi, the more I like him. I feel more comfortable knowing that he, a lifelong fan, is keeping tabs on Moffat and Company. One thing I never liked about Moffat's writing in general was his obsession with flirting. I didn't particularly like how he portrayed the Doctor in The Girl and the Fireplace (though the episode was very well done), and though the River/Doctor stuff was kind of sweet, I think the flirting went over the top. I'm glad Capaldi is putting an end to it. 

I liked Matt's Doctor a lot, but I think the problem with Matt was that he wasn't an experienced, well known actor and didn't have the authority to control the show. If you listen to a lot of what he says, he wasn't happy about a lot of plots, but wasn't in the position to change it. Checks and balances are important, and I think it's good if the lead actor can provide some balance so that one man can't put the show into the wrong direction.

AztecsDaleksAndCavemen
AztecsDaleksAndCavemen

He's going to be the best Doctor Who in years. Matt's Doctor was great but it's going to be so good to see something different.

BobbieBob
BobbieBob

Why are people so surprised that Capaldi has an opinion and isn't afraid to speak his mind? He is an adult after all, and has a fairly distinguished pedigree, which includes appearances on Dr Who and Torchwood. Has he not been part of British tv and theatre for years? Surely he has made some public statements at some point in his long career? And he really kicked ass in WWZ. Why is the over-all opinion that he is an unknown upstart, bullishly taking over the role of Dr Who? He's only a life-long fan of the show, after all, and knows his Moffat from his RTD. The role couldn't have gone to a better actor. 

 Notsosmartguy
Notsosmartguy

@dragonsfyre what's wrong with weird monsters there's something endearing about them. Besides some where used effectively like in the snowmen.

Rani Nose
Rani Nose

@dragonsfyre The Adipose appeared before Waters of Mars.  That aside, if you think silly monsters are a thing of the past because Capaldi is the Doctor you are in for a big surprise.

The Bish
The Bish

@DawnTime Been thinking along similar lines regarding Capaldi's casting and glad someone else has said this. I personally think he's a great choice and a fine actor so whilst I'm looking forward to this (as I know a lot of people on here are) I do think this could be DW's biggest test since the revival in 2005. How much of it's current popularity has been down to the younger men at the Tardis helm and the dynamic between The Doctor and his companions? Interesting times ahead and lets hope DW and Capaldi pass with flying colours.

Planet of the Deaf
Planet of the Deaf

@DawnTime I think the best thing is to wait and see what actually happens on screen. Before a new era, everyone likes to portray a certain image, a certain party line, but in reality it's more complicated than that. The childish Doctor will have serious moments, the serious one will find something funny, the non romantic one will have a tender moment

 Notsosmartguy
Notsosmartguy

@DawnTime Remember how many people where hating on Matt when he was the 11th doctor in the beginning? Then he basically shut up most of his critics with the 11th hour? It'll probably be like that again. Besides Peter is a pretty well known actor and he'll have his own fan base backing him up and making up for the people who leave because they think he's too old (which is a really stupid reason to stop watching).

 Notsosmartguy
Notsosmartguy

@Planet of the Deaf I agree no one complained when 10 was flirting and making out with women left and right but it's suddenly wrong for 11 to do the same? For some it's just another example of Moffat biased, though for others  feel the doctor shouldn't flirt at all which is ok. 


Luna23
Luna23

@Oodkind  Matt Smith didn't control the show, and it wasn't "the problem with Matt" that he didn't.  Peter Capaldi doesn't control it, either.  Steven Moffat and the BBC control the show.  Peter Capaldi had interests that he wanted to satisfy before he agreed to take the role, and they were satisfied. 

Luna23
Luna23

@BobbieBob What board are you reading that has the "over-all" opinion of Peter Capaldi as an "unknown upstart bullishly taking over the role of Dr. Who"?  Seriously, the man is being idolized........seriously.......idolized. 

dragonsfyre
dragonsfyre

@Notsosmartguy   I guess the simple answer would be that weird monsters strain credibility, especially in a more mainstream audience.



With the exception of the farting Slitheen and the "armless" jokes in ROSE, when Doctor Who was resurrected in 2005 you could really see that it wanted to be taken seriously:  it wanted to divest itself from the perception that DrWho was full of wobbly sets and rubbish monsters. 



And it did so by giving us a nearly flawless Season One with dark (THE UNQUIET DEAD), gripping (DALEK), terrifying (THE EMPTY CHILD) and emotionally cathartic (FATHER'S DAY) stories.



Doctor Who needs to be taken seriously again. And that won't be accomplished with pumpkin-faced snowmen or wooden kings (The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe).  It will, however, be taken seriously with more menacing creatures like the Zygons and with darker stories where the stakes are higher, there are consequences to actions and where characters who die stay dead.

dragonsfyre
dragonsfyre

@Rani Nose Just taking a sampling of silly monsters, irrespective of their appearance before or after Waters of Mars. 



The half-faced guy in the full-length preview is pretty gruesome and proper scary.  That's the way it should be.  It's time to restore the oft-associated expression "Hiding behind the sofa" to the show. 



And we now have had a handful of confirmations from the creators in the show that season 8 has taken a new direction: it will be starker, there will be more consequences and there will be a return to drama with gripping emotional heft.  Presumably that will happen because of terrifying and more imposing monsters that you can take seriously.



So, unless you're talking about DALEKS who have forgotten how to exterminate people, I can't imagine being surprised by anything sillier than talking fat molecules or killer snowmen. 


Lest we forget, Doctor Who's ratings were at their highest during the Tom Baker Gothic Horror years which were replete with gruesome monsters and staggering amounts of violence. 




PaddyB
PaddyB

@Notsosmartguy approves of female thor @Planet of the Deaf "making out with women left and right."

?!

Flirting sure ,but you seem to have confused Ten with Jack. It seemed to me that the Doctor only realised that Rose was more than just a friend to him when they were (seemingly) permanently separated and the only time that it was even implied that the Doctor had had sex was with Elizabeth I- and that was only implied very lightly since Doctor Who is a family show.

Edymnion
Edymnion

@Notsosmartguy approves of female thor @Planet of the Deaf Well in all fairness, 10 was the first Doctor to really do that.  It wasn't allowed at all in the show by decree of the execs before NuWho, 9 didn't really do it, so it was new and different when 10 did it.  By the time 11 cranked it up even higher, people were sick of it.

The Bish
The Bish

@Luna23 @Oodkind Agree with Luna23's comments. The man in charge is Steven Moffat along with the other producers (and the Beeb in general). Capaldi may turn around and say he has concerns about a script for example but it doesn't mean anything will be done about it as he will only have so much say just like Matt Smith before him, David Tennant before that etc. At the end of the day he's under contract now and will have to abide by the decision of the powers that be.



Edymnion
Edymnion

@Luna23 @Oodkind You are mistaking the idea of "control" as in calling all of the shots with "control" in "No, I'm not filming this."  A powerful lead actor can definitely put his foot down and demand changes to a script under threat of not doing it at all.  Recasting is a huge pain in the ass, especially for something like Doctor Who.  Moffat would be under extreme pressure from the BBC not to lose their star actor (whoever it may be at the time) over something as trivial as "Dinosaurs on a spaceship?  Thats absurd, I'm not doing that."








Edymnion
Edymnion

@Luna23 @BobbieBob And unknown upstart?  Capaldi has a list of creds as long as your arm and a huge amount of star power behind him long before Doctor Who ever came up.

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

@dragonsfyre @Notsosmartguy The Zygon plot of 'The Day of the Doctor', I think is a mess. It started out really well, and then got ignored half way through to be replaced with the Gallifrey one.

I am with you on nearly everything by the way; in terms of the Moffat era being less serious with its villains.

I have absolutely no problem with farting Slitheen. It's not there to be laughed at, and I don't know anyone that did laugh at that. It isn't exactly necessary, but I hate how negative everyone is about it. It's really a minor detail, which builds suspense, as it helps the audience identify who is actually a Slitheen.

Also, 'The Snowmen' is actually my favourite episode of the Moffat era, because, by that point I've given up on good episodes, but the relationship aspect, and Clara's character there i just think is done so well. It then of course, has the nonsensical and overdone with Moffat, solution of love defeating the enemy. But in terms of characters I think it's a good episode.

Rani Nose
Rani Nose

@dragonsfyre @Rani Nose It's not 1975 anymore and it hasn't been in nearly 40 years.  The point being audience expectations have changed, viewing habits have changed, and the nature TV storytelling has changed so going back to the old ways isn't necessarily for the better.  Today's audience might take to Capaldi and a different style show or they might not.  We'll know for sure in a couple of months.


The great non-secret to Doctor Who's longevity is there is no "proper" style to the show.  It is a delicate balance the producers have to weigh between series continuity, storytelling ideas and actor availability.  From grumpy old man, to befuddled clown, to swashbuckler, to bohemian alien, to human, to grumpy alien to conniver, to romantic, to war survivor, to best boyfriend, to awkward, childlike alien..  We have been lucky that they have gotten it right more often than not.

SirTrey
SirTrey

@Edymnion @Notsosmartguy  @Planet of the Deaf "Cranked it up even higher"?  The Girl in the Fireplace might just be my favorite episode of New Who (so I'm not saying this from a place of criticism) but I'm not sure how anything 11 did was anywhere near that flirty.  Plus, I never got why flirting was okay but the astoundingly melodramatic last ten minutes or so of "Doomsday" was fine...you'd think if flirting annoyed people then the Doctor getting cut off in the middle of "I love you" would've popped some blood vessels.

Rani Nose
Rani Nose

@Edymnion @Notsosmartguy approves of female thor @Planet of the Deaf But did 11 crank up the flirting?  He and River flirted with each other then got married, and he and Clara flirt in a cutesy, platonic way, knowing it will never lead to anything.  More generally, Smith played the Doctor as a socially awkward alien.  I always interpreted some of his flirtatious behavior as inept attempts to relate to people and not actual flirting.

BobbieBob
BobbieBob

@Edymnion @Luna23 @BobbieBob Did you even read what I wrote? I wrote that the popular perception is  that he's a newbie, and I also mentioned his impressive pedigree. Come on guys, civilized debate is one thing, but can you at least read the comments you are complaining about before getting all snarky and rude?

BobbieBob
BobbieBob

@Edymnion @Luna23 @BobbieBob Did you even read what I wrote? I wrote that in the popular perception, he is taken for a brash newcomer, not that he actually is one. 

dragonsfyre
dragonsfyre

@Rani Nose "It's not 1975 anymore and it hasn't been in nearly 40 years."



And in 40 years, the BBC still has not been able to match the ratings juggernaut that was the Gothic Horror period of Tom Baker's first four seasons.



Hmmm, makes you wonder doesn't it? 



And stunt-casting Kylie Minogue in Voyage of the Damned doesn't count for a genuine ratings barometer. Neither does placing 7 companions in The Stolen Earth two-parter. 



"The point being audience expectations have changed...."



I couldn't agree more. The content on television these days is as gritty and violent as the heady Phillip Hincliffe/Robert Holmes/Tom Baker days.  And since young adults (and even kids for that matter) are exposed to a shocking array of Hollywood violence, both on TV and in shoot-em-up video games, their expectations are on the level from 40years ago.



Sorry, but to be perfectly blunt: if you put a video game in front of today's young adults and told them it was about an invasion of giggling fat molecules, they'd be insulted. 



Edymnion
Edymnion

@BobbieBob @Edymnion @Luna23 I was agreeing with you.  Perhaps you should stop and read things a second time before you jump to the conclusion that someone is personally attacking you when they're saying the exact same thing you are.




Rani Nose
Rani Nose

@dragonsfyre @Rani Nose If you think 'Partners in Crime' was "about an invasion of giggling fat molecules" you missed the point of the episode.

Doctor What
Doctor What

@dragonsfyre @Rani Nose "And in 40 years, the BBC still has not been able to match the ratings juggernaut that was the Gothic Horror period of Tom Baker's first four seasons."


Again, the answer is that we are not in the 70's anymore, when there where a grand total of 3 TV channels in Britain, no videogames, no internet, no videotapes, etc. I agree that the Fourth Doctor era was a "golden age" for Doctor Who, but part of the credit for those ratings is the fact that the viewers didn't have a lot of choice in home entertainment at the time.

It is no wonder that the highest viewing figures ever are hold by the fourth episode of City of Death, because the serial was broadcasted during a strike in ITV and the channel was in blackout, so the viewers literally had nothing else to see than Doctor Who.

Nowadays these ratings are simply unachievable because of the much larger variety of entertainment options available to the public. And iPlayer downloads are now capital too, achieving more than 25% of the final viewing figures for some episodes of series 7.


Besides that, I'm perfectly aware that kids are exposed to violence in films, TV and video games. I'm no Mary Whitehouse, but I can't see that as a good thing. And no better show than Doctor Who to stood still and go in his own direction. In the 70's the show adopted that gothic horror tone because it was a breathtaking ground to explore for the kids of the era. When I started to watch Doctor Who with the Ninth Doctor I thought it was fantastic (no better word!) to have a show were the central character had such high moral values, that used his brain and no brute force, and who was, essentially, a pacifist. The direction taken by Moffat when he took over pleased me even more, because it delivered something different to the loads of violence that are present in current media, and that makes it quite boring, actually...

dragonsfyre
dragonsfyre

@Rani Nose @dragonsfyre 


Dear Rani Nose,


I'm glad you prefaced your note with the word IF. 



As it happens, I *did not* think Partners in Crime was "about an invasion of giggling fat molecules".  I was speaking of an imaginary video game to help illustrate a point.  Obviously I failed to articulate my point of view in such a way that you would understand the gist of my argument. 

dragonsfyre
dragonsfyre

@Doctor What @dragonsfyre @Rani Nose Forgot to mention City of Death also doesn't count as an accurate barometer of ratings because of that ITV strike.

But apart from all that, it's not that I'm espousing violence for violence's sake. I think my response (just 2 posts below) to NOTSOSMARTGUY about weird monsters may express my thoughts a little more precisely.

dragonsfyre
dragonsfyre

@Rani Nose 



Actually, the new post featuring EMPIRE's new magazine cover pretty much sums it up:



"ABOUT TIME.  IT'S SCARIER, IT'S EDGIER, BEN "KILL LIST" WHEATLEY'S DIRECTING THE FIRST TWO EPISODES...AND THE NEW DOCTOR IS MALCOM TUCKER!  IT'S DEFINITELY TIME TO TAKE DOCTOR WHO SERIOUSLY"



See, in 2005 you could really tell that Doctor Who wanted to be taken seriously: it wanted to divest itself of the public perception that DrWho was full of wobbly sets and rubbish monsters.


And RTD succeeded it getting the show to be taken seriously by giving us a nearly flawless first season with dark (The Unquiet Dead), gripping (Dalek), terrifying (The Empty Child) and emotionally cathartic stories (Father's Day). 


Seasons 2 and 3 built upon this with even edgier and more frightening tales (TOOTH AND CLAW, THE SATAN PIT, BLINK, HUMAN NATURE) that managed to be intelligent and thought-provoking all at the same time.


Series 4 started to crumble near the end but it too had wildly compelling and dark stories (the tale of the doomed city in THE FIRES OF POMPEII and harrowing possession in MIDNIGHT and body horror in THE WATERS OF MARS).


For EMPIRE magazine to say "It's definitely time to take Doctor Who seriously" is proof positive that the perception of the show in the last three years had returned to the point where you couldn't take it seriously anymore.


Thank you EMPIRE for saying pretty much what I've been saying all along.  And rest assured Rani Nose: me and the publishers of EMPIRE do NOT stand alone in this perception. The majority opinion is that Doctor Who needs to be scarier, edgier, darker.  You're certainly free to feel otherwise.  But the majority have spoken loud and clear across every form of media and the BBC brass have heard us.  


It's about time. 

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