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Moffat: Who says the Doctor is NOT human?

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“Fandom, to your work.”

Steven Moffat has called on Doctor Who fandom to prove when it is definitively said that the Doctor is not human.

Speaking in the latest issue of DWM (#475) he says: “Here’s a question I tried on some Doctor Who fans recently, and we were all a bit startled by the answer, when it finally emerged – if we got it right. Okay; keeping in mind that everything you know for sure is probably wrong, answer me this: in which story is it confirmed, definitively, that the Doctor is not human?

“Now before you jump up and yell An Unearthly Child – sorry, but wrong. He makes it clear he’s not from this time, and seems to indicate that he was born on another world, but he never says he’s an alien. He could, just as easily, be a human being from the far future, born on some colonised world. Indeed, most of his conversation in the early days would seem to confirm that he thinks of himself as human, and he even explicitly states that he is, at least once.

“So come on then. To your DVD collection. In what story do the wise men and women of the BBC stop fudging the issue, and make our hero Not One Of Us. I’m not talking about him having remarkable abilities or attributes – we’ve always known he’s not ordinary, that s fair enough. Spider-Man’s not ordinary, but he s not an alien. And I’m not talking about series bibles, or internal memos or retconned continuity – when did the Doctor Who production team stop hedging their bets and make him alien?

“Fandom, to your work. Yes, Russell, you too.”

Step back in time...

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PanzaniDrawer
PanzaniDrawer

The earth isn't my home Sarah. I'm a TimeLord. I'm not a human being, I walk in eternity. End.

Romana21
Romana21

The War Games, the first time he actually said the words "Time Lord" ever in the show. He had to call on his own people to help him. That's when, Moffat. The War Games. Another episode was "The Deadly Assassin", when the fourth Doctor had to return home because of a call from Gallifrey. There's also 'The Five Doctors', and tons more. Big Finish also did do quite the work on Gallifrey, making it true that the Doctor's a Time Lord.

EWBlues02
EWBlues02

Let's get the An Unearthly Child quotes right, Moffat: "We're not of this race.  We're not of this Earth."  Also, "Before your ancestors turned the first wheel, the people of my world had reduced movement through the farthest reaches of space to a game for children."  :)  However, we do know that the doctor is HALF human.  He has always embraced both sides of himself.







gavinbarsby
gavinbarsby

You see I think the question is being read out of context. a better question would be "who says the doctor is NOT 100% alien?" My Great grandad was Scottish that makes me part Scottish (a very small part) and as such if I am asked my nationality I say English, but I'm not 100% English by blood. The Doctor could be the same identifies himself as gallifreyan but could still be part human. That's what Moffat is getting at and I don't think it has ever been said he is 100% alien just that he considers himself alien. 


AnthonyJFuchs
AnthonyJFuchs

Whether or not it's the first time he confirms it, the Fourth Doctor does tell Sarah Jane in "Pyramids of Mars" ~ "I'm not a human being; I walk in eternity." That's pretty definitive.

Sophie4318
Sophie4318

Bloody hell, Series 1 Episode 1: Rose, (from the reboot), Rose asks if he is an alien and he explicitly states, I quote; "Yes. Is that alright?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS MAN?

RichardPirtle
RichardPirtle

Um, he says he is not human in season 7, when talking to the the cybermen. He tells them that they cannot upgrade him, as he is not human.

Malohkeh
Malohkeh

I never realized this fandom was so plagued by illiteracy...

interestinglywho
interestinglywho

DOCTOR: The difference being the computer doesn’t accept me as human. 

AMY: Why not? You look human. 

DOCTOR: No, you look Time Lord. We came first. 

-The Beast Below (written by STEVEN MOFFAT)






a_koz
a_koz

Terror of the Zygons.  He says it plainly there when eh is captured by the Zygons and they try to kill him.


Broton (Zygon Leader): You admire our technology, human?

The Doctor: Well, I'm not human; and I've seen better


Moffat, back in your box and actually do your research!





epiphanywords
epiphanywords

ROSE: It’s alien.


DOCTOR: Yeah.

ROSE: Are you alien?

DOCTOR: Yes.  Is that alright?

ROSE: Yeah.

— S01E01, Rose

Polyphase
Polyphase

Has anyone figured it out yet ? Was it really The War Games ?

dont blink
dont blink

Moffat's obsession with ignoring DW canon for the sake of?? dramatic story telling?? is getting rather old. The doctor has said multiple times, with no reason to lie, that he is an alien. It's reinforced by other characters. That doesn't mean that he couldn't be partially human perhaps but that'd be hard to fit into the story. Time lords from the canon story are not human. Petition to kick out moffat and bring in someone who respects the actual story


diskgrinder
diskgrinder

Gallifrey is a far future human colony that discovered the ability to retcon

There, that's fixed it

GraemeSheridan
GraemeSheridan

23m:00s onwards The twin Dilemma. 6th Doctor to be absolutely precise!"

JustinIanKohnke
JustinIanKohnke

It wasn't revealed that he was a timelord until Patrick's last story war games. The only time it said he was half human was in the movie


gamingprophet
gamingprophet

So, I think I know what Moffat is doing here. He says that everything we know is wrong. And remember, number one rule is that The doctor lies. So, with that in mind, it's possible, however unlikely, that he could be human.

A Friend of the Ood
A Friend of the Ood

To everyone posting that quote from Rose over and over and over again:

Read the question! He's not saying "The Doctor isn't an alien", he's asking "When was the first time the Doctor is confirmed to not be human". The first time is definitely NOT in the new series.

GraemeSheridan
GraemeSheridan

Sixth Doctor, "Peri for you I am in fact an Alien!"  

ar2261
ar2261

My God, this one is simple.  "Rose" !!!!  When she enters the T.A.R.D.I.S for the second time after running out and around it the first time, she says "So you're an alien."  The Doctor replies, "Yes."  Common Moffat

Unibot
Unibot

"Oi! How did you get this number?" 


"The woman at the sh--" 

"Not this again... what is it? What do you need help with?" 

"Are you an alien?" 

"Russell, is this you again!?"

"No - why?"

"Well.. sorry. To answer your question: of course, I am. Silly question really!" 

"So you aren't human?"

"Nope."

"Not even a human being?"

"Of course not! Eww!"

"Shame, you'd make a great human".

"Who said I'm not a human?" 

"You did..." 

"No, I said I'm not an alien, not human and not a human being, but I never said I'm not *a* human. That's the problem with you lot, you never listen!"

"What's the differen-"

"Thought you'd never ask! Alien is foreign to Earth... check... human is a rough approximation of an organism that I am not.. check... human -being- is an abstract pre-Socratic concept that is irrelevant to a consciousness that spans through eternity... check. But am I a human? Yes, I think that could fit just fine. Still a Time Lord, though."

"Born on Gallifrey, yes?" [The Doctor hangs up the phone]

"Doctor... Doctor, are you there?"

jellinfelon
jellinfelon

Smith and Jones. The Judoon are scanning all the humans in the hospital to find the non-human. The Doctor has to hide because he is NOT human and the Judoon will be able to pick that up instantly. He kisses Martha Jones which leaves trace elements of alien - or NON-HUMAN - on her, resulting in the scanner getting confused and causing the distraction he needs. In fact, the alien fugitive the Judoon are looking for is caught this way! The Plasmavore drinks human blood to disguise itself as one, but gets tricked into drinking the Doctor's blood, and because the Doctor is NOT HUMAN, it is exposed by the scanner as an alien. 

Scootersfood is the new Caretaker
Scootersfood is the new Caretaker

@EWBlues02 We don't know that either. In the movie he said he was half human but it was later revealed in the audios or something that it was just a trick or something like that. 

Sophie4318
Sophie4318

@gavinbarsby Thats a very good point, I get where you're coming from. That makes a lot more sense. He seems to see himself as more human in my opinion, although he knows he's Timelord.

Elionu
Elionu

@Sophie4318 Hold up, he's not trying to justify the Doctor being human, he wants to know when it was first stated OUTRIGHT that the Doctor is not a human being. Which I suppose would be The War Games, but it was obvious before then with the Doctor's telepathy.


Elionu
Elionu

@Polyphase While I don't think it was stated until then, the Doctor and Susan are shown to be telepathic in The Sensorites, so that might count.

Elionu
Elionu

@ar2261 Moffat wants to know the first time it was stated outright, probably for reference. Don't forget, "Rose" is most definitely NOT the first episode.

Char10tti3
Char10tti3

I know right! just put that on tumblr! and tentoo isn't just human. Just posted it on tumblr and I think moffat is lazy and looking for fans to find montage clips.

jackrudrum
jackrudrum

I didn't think the audios where cannon?

Sophie4318
Sophie4318

@Elionu Yeah, I know don't worry. That's what I thought originally, but after talking to several people I realised my mistake. I think the red mist kind of descended because I already dislike so much he's done to the show.  And my reference to the Rose episode was just an example of one of many times when it has been stated he's not (at least not entirely) human. :)

Sophie4318
Sophie4318

@A Friend of the Ood Thats not what this is saying. Moffat says "...he never says he’s an alien. He could, just as easily, be a human being from the far future". Which suggests to me that Moffat thinks he could be a human and not alien. YOU read the question :L



PrisonerZeroIsACybermen
PrisonerZeroIsACybermen

You do realize he's asking for the first time in the Classic Series where the Doctor says he's not human.  Moffat's not saying he's gonna retcon everything.  He's putting out a challenge to see if Who fans can solve it.

a_koz
a_koz

@jackrudrum They are since Moffat included the Eighth in the short  where the Eighth regenerates into the War Doctor, and just before he does he reels off his companions, including the ones from the radio series.Anyway, the "half=-human" line has been pretty much ignored by everyone.



A Friend of the Ood
A Friend of the Ood

@Sophie4318 @A Friend of the Ood "In what story do the wise men and women of the BBC stop fudging the issue, and make our hero Not One Of Us...when did the Doctor Who production team stop hedging their bets and make him alien?"

He's asking because he knows the answer and wants fans to figure it out by watching the classic series. That's all. He's not saying the Doctor isn't an alien. 

Your quote is out of context. He was talking about why the first episode, An Unearthly Child, wasn't when it was confirmed that he was an alien.

gilkevin
gilkevin

He's talking about An Unearthly Child the first Who episode (not Rose) and justifying why it is not the answer, and why the game is worth playing. Don't grab a quote out of context to justify your own lack of understanding.

GraemeSheridan
GraemeSheridan

@Sophie4318 @A Friend of the Ood We read the Question, Moffat wants to Troll the Fans, and The 1st Reference to being an Alien is at the End of the War Games, the last by his own Hand in the Beast Below. So far a total of 10 Times. Moffat knows he's an Alien Moffat is not just a good writer but also a Troll.

jackrudrum
jackrudrum

Well that doesn't make them all cannon though it would make those companions cannon but everything else is still in question... I mean really at best that's an easter Egg acknowledging the work big finish have done. Besides star wars expanded universe is the perfect example of a situation where unless they have directly said "yep this is official we confirm all of this happens as canon" then it isn't canon because they can turn round and say "nope none of its canon" if it contradicts or would cause issues with their storyline. Although I guess if we take the 8th drs stories only as canon then I guess that would still mean.the half.human things out but tbh he could be lying when he said he were lying. So how would you ever say which way round it really is. Clearly Moffat has something planned regarding this else he wouldn't have brought it up.

Sophie4318
Sophie4318

@A Friend of the Ood Oh ok. Although I don't think my quote was out of context for what I thought he meant, I can see how I mistook the question he posed.

Thank you for correcting me. I think I freaked out, because I'm already not a fan of a lot of what he's done in the past, and so the red mist kind of descended before I fully took in what he meant.

Are you sure he already knows though, or is he just asking if people can pinpoint when exactly the writers made it clear he wasn't human?





Sophie4318
Sophie4318

@gilkevin That was a little rude. I was responding to what I thought his question, or statement, was saying. He was saying that AUC is not  the correct answer to the question he posed, I understand that. I thought that his question meant "I can't think of a time where they explicitly said he was alien", when after thinking about if further, and realising my mistake, he meant "when did the writers stop being vague and say outright that he was an alien?" Although I am right in saying that they stated it in Rose, obviously it was first said long before then in the original Doctor Who series'.

PeriataBreatta
PeriataBreatta

@GraemeSheridan @Sophie4318 @A Friend of the Ood "The 1st Reference to being an Alien is at the End of the War Games" -- actually I don't think that is the first.  In The Time Meddler, the Doctor confirms to Steven that he and the Monk "come from the same place" but that the Doctor was "fifty years earlier", which seems pretty indicative that they're both aliens.

gilkevin
gilkevin

@Sophie4318 @gilkevin Yes; sorry ^^;; it did not help that about half the comments on this thread were similar to yours. But yes, he knows. Or at least, he thinks he does (it's actually pretty tough, given the number of missing episodes, to have a definite answer).