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Your Verdict on Deep Breath

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It’s time to take a look at how you voted in our Deep Breath themed polls last week. First of all we asked you to give the episode a score out of 10:

Each week we’ll be taking these votes and working out the average score. We’ll then use this to rank the episodes and get a rough idea of its placing in the series. To start us off Deep Breath comes in with a final score of 8.282. Will episode 2 be able to knock it off the top spot? We’ll find out next week.

Did the Doctor kill Half-Face?

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Secondly we asked you to vote on whether you thought the Doctor killed the Half Face Man, and the voting was appropriately split. In the end, by a small margin, 55.97% said yes the Doctor did indeed do the deed.

The Eleventh Hour vs Deep Breath

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Our final poll of the week pitted both of Steven Moffat’s Doctor debuts against each other. This was a fairly easy win for The Eleventh Hour with 61.61% voting for Matt Smith’s opener.

Step back in time...

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SEDAKRO XIV
SEDAKRO XIV

As a Scottish person ~I LOVED this episode loads!!! :-D

purplependulum
purplependulum

I really loved "Deep Breath"  Peter Capaldi is going to make an excellent new Doctor!  He was very funny as he tried to become the Doctor, and figure out who he really is.  He had to learn, as they all do, what type of Doctor he was going to be.  By the end of the episode he hand a handle on who he was.  What a ride getting there!  

dancedj2k
dancedj2k

I am glad to see that I am not the only one who is not flabbergasted about the new doctor.

People, please try and understand it is not Capaldi that is the issue. I think it is just the material he has been given. If you would have put Smith or Tennant, in these first 2 episodes I think they would have shined.

I think the last 3 episodes (8,9,10) will be where Capaldi will shine the best. When everything has been revealed and the story arc starts to come to a close.

SeanDavies1
SeanDavies1

If it was 11 in the same situations as 12 in Deep Breath i.e Did he murder Half-face? Did he steal the coat? I would without a doubt think he has done both. The 11th Doctor is childish and immature of the surface but on the inside he is cold and callous for example 'A Good Man Goes To War' or 'The Time of Angels'. Anyone who hurts him or his friends he changes in a heartbeat. Half-face threatened his friends 11 would kill him, I have no doubt 12 did as well. To be honest I think War, 9, 10, 11 and 12 would. They were all born from the Time War and that haunts them. Kind of annoys me that people only see the childish Doctor in Smith not the seriousness. Anyway I would agree with 8 not as good as 'The Eleventh Hour'  

StephenCoppins
StephenCoppins

Um, is it me, or since his regeneration, has the new Doctor ever referred to the TARDIS, as the TARDIS?

TheIdleIdol
TheIdleIdol

And once again, I'm utterly baffled by people's love for The Eleventh Hour. I have a feeling this is one of those things I'll just never "get". 

millypede
millypede

Im still waiting to hear a new 'I'am the Doctor' theme, nothing springs out yet.

Thetenth
Thetenth

I expected more from Capaldi. Doctor is an eccentric with great passion. I missed that at the first two episodes. The dialogues were good, but the doctor was bland...doctor's character should express from the screen, but it is the opposite. He somehow seems to stay in background. Clara's character feels more doctor like, than the doctor himself. Or is she? I mean the doctor???

I know Capaldi from other roles and thought he would be THE doctor. Mature, charismatic, mysterious...I so hope his character improves during the season. I miss the doctor!

LeeBeing
LeeBeing

See? Hardly a landslide victory for this opening episode. I get slated for ringing the alarm bell over the terrible writing and direction we are getting so far, yet this poll hardly shows an overwhelming love for it so far. I remain thoroughly underwhelmed. Capaldi deserves so much better. Having said that, there were some great moments primarily from Capaldi himself and the creepiness of this episode harked back to a classic era. Not all bad, and certainly better than the embarrassing episode that followed.

ilyootha
ilyootha

8.282? So that's where they take AI scores from!..

As for who killed Half-Face, "And l will marshal all the media forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide!" - Malcom Tucker


Timhogan
Timhogan

I dunno I still prefer Capaldi myself.  While I love Smith and think he did a great job, his Doctor at some points had too many childish moments that were over the top.  I really dig how Capaldi is very serious, using people's deaths to his advantage and not giving it a second though.  I like how casual he struts around the TARDIS as well as his posture most of the time.  Maybe it's just that Capaldi is new and totally different that's making me think that, but I'm just loving it.  Easily the most impressed I've been with the first two episodes of a series in a long time.

MrRazza, Latest Result: Mr Pink is Human
MrRazza, Latest Result: Mr Pink is Human

I have to say I'm in the Deep Breath camp. I was never one of The Eleventh Hour's greatest fans - indeed, as a series opener I rank it only above New Earth and the Dalek Asylum (and the Bells of Saint John, if you want to consider it as one). It never worked brilliantly for me, though it does its job well, and I find the middle slow and rooftop scene over-the-top and even cheesy. DB also had flaws, but I feel overall the story worked better, and I'm ultimately more of a fan of the overall tone and the twelfth Doctor himself.



lewistmullins
lewistmullins

If the pattern continues as I predict the the doctor didn't kill the half face man, the half face man sacrificed himself.

After ITD and Gretchen sacrificing herself, I think that The Promised Land/Paradise/Heaven is a place for those who have sacrificed themselves for the doctor. A kind of reward for all the people who have died in the name of the doctor, which missy apparently oversees. Just a theory.

King Joffery
King Joffery

I hope we don`t find out if the doctor killed the half faced man because it would give the doctor a sense of mystery on how far he will go to protect those he loves

Mercy Reborn2
Mercy Reborn2

I think he could have killed the half faced man but it would be more fun if we dont know for sure

PeterGecko
PeterGecko

They are figures I can agree with. So far, my favourite to least favourite episodes of the season ( there's only two so far, of course):

1. Deep Breath 8/10

2. Into the Dalek 7/10

cyberbrayde
cyberbrayde

Deep Breath, without a doubt, was the best refresh since the Eleventh Hour. You could actually feel the change shift, everything feels different again and Doctor Who. I am saying that 12 did kill the Half-Faced Man, no doubt, he DID kill him. The following episodes cla- hang on. What if that was there for a reason, for us to guess if he did or not, and it slowly gave us the opinions each episode until we realize who is the main villain. The Eleventh Hour DID beat Deep Breath though.

Switcharoo
Switcharoo

 "Ah, the more things change the more things stay the same, and that, in essence, is the second law of Moffatdynamics, and I never heard a truer word spoken." 


Or so said the Fourth Doctor on his DW Review blog.....'Pharos Falls' (posted, rather ironically, just days before he fell off the Pharos radio telescope,.....a rather nasty tumble that resulted in him turning into that bloke from 'All Creatures Great And Small'). Bless. 

It was a bit of a shock at the time, ol' Tommy boy's demise. He'd been in the role so long that the gleem from his bright white teeth was gradually beginning to erase his predecessors from history. To many, Tom was the Doctor, so any new Doc on the block had to be eased into the public psyche with a fair amount of care and a dollop of reassuring reassurance, particularly as this new Doc was such a stark contrast to his illustrious predecessor, in terms of age, hair colour and radio telescope climbing abilities. 

And so the bloke from 'All Creatures Great And Small' found himself in debut yarn that felt like a direct continuation of Tom's farewell performance. Same author (not always a given back then ) same villain, same companions, same sombre tone, same sombre music, same one word location-centric title, same.....er.....caterer. It worked as well.....it helped bridge the gap between eras and Doctors - as did 'Bloke From All Creatures Great And Small's canny impressions of those early incarnations so very nearly erased by Tom's dazzling smile. Traces of the familiar are often essential when ushering in the new.....and this proved to be the case once more with 'Don't Blink'.....er, I mean, 'Deep Breath'. 

The one with the Eyebrows' debut yarn was so filled with classic nods, winks and tickles that it could easily gather them altotether and shift them on eBay. You've got familiar faces (the Past-their-sell-by-date Gang).....you've got classic quotes ('Here we go again'/'You've redecorated').....you've got classic moments (collapsey fall on floor 'That's the Doctor' / end of episodey, inner city, 'Lets go for chips').....you've got misguided robots (of the 51st century variety).....spaceships named after sexy French ladies (Marie Antoinette / Madame De Tennant's-ex).....the Doctor being ushered to bed by concerned friends / wearing alluring nightwear.....you even got the old Doctor turning up to say 'Hey don't worry its still the same show that me and my occasional toupee used to appear in'. All we needed was a comedy shower scene, a bit of red hot Zero Cabinet action and some carrot juice, and we'd have all have been shouting "FULL HOUSE!" at 'Who Bingo'. There was even the 'Don't blin.....'.....oh I've already done that one. 

Still.....amid the fog of familiarity shone a beacon of new, unpredictable intensity.....The Eyebrows. It was his performance that kept me plonked in my seat for the duration of Saturday nights stylish runaround. Everything about him is so.....watchable. He's like a lit firecracker.....you're just waiting for him to go off. He's a Doctor with teeth (and eyebrows), a Doctor whose bark will be as hard as his bite, a Doctor so markedly different from his predecessor that we're gonna need the same caterer to ease us into a whole new world of 'Who.....eeeee.....ooooo! 

And the titles were nice as well. 

ShayHatchard1
ShayHatchard1

I thought he did in Into The Dalek but maybe not...

Thetenth
Thetenth

@TheIdleIdol  It's not only the Eleventh, it's the Tenth and the Ninth. All three were brilliant. And I wish the Twelfth would have the same strong personality, passion, humour and mystery about him. I just don't get this with Capaldi in the first two series...

dancedj2k
dancedj2k

@TheIdleIdol You still don't get why the 11th hour is so great?

I can try and explain, but you should watch it again.

It has mystery, intrigue, humor, a good story, a great angle, it is heart warming and intense, scary and puzzling, passion and quirkiness. 

ilyootha
ilyootha

@LeeBeing No, you got slated for being rude and for what some saw as plain trolling.

TheIdleIdol
TheIdleIdol

Over 77% of people rated Deep Breath "Very Good" or higher if you take a look at the other poll results listed. That's pretty good in the grand scheme of things - not a lot of episodes score that well. It's just unfortunate that the other poll naturally had to pit it against the Eleventh Hour: a lot of people seem to like that episode a ridiculous amount for reasons that I never could grasp. I dare say that Deep Breath would have emerged on top if pitted against most other openers.

BeyondThePolice
BeyondThePolice

@Timhogan I think Matt's a far more entertaining Doctor. While Capaldi brings very refined acting into the mix and plays a complex character, while still nailing comedy moments, Matt always had a twinkle in his eye and brought insane levels of enthusiasm to every episode. Even if I didn't like an episode, I would always thoroughly enjoy Matt's performance. 

ClaireAbraham
ClaireAbraham

@Timhogan I thought Matt Smith was amazingly talented, and he did a wonderful job playing the character that was created for him/that he helped create. However, Eleven was sometimes too immature for me. For some odd reason, I am more amused by a Doctor who MIGHT have mugged a hobo (but we don't know) and a Doctor who MIGHT have pushed a homicidal cyborg to his death (but we aren't sure) than a guy who pestered a poor little kid for food, and then rejected almost everything she gave him like a toddler in need of a nap. 


Bring on the grownup Doctor!

CooperKing
CooperKing

Yes i loved Matt Smith - but i must admit - my love for Capaldi is effortless. He strikes a chord commands authority. my favourite Doctor is Pertwee, because he was to the point & i always imagined i wud feel most safe with him, Capaldi presents the same assurance. in 20 yrs time, i think the Matt Smith era & Capaldi era will b reflected on as the most diverse & vibrant time in Who history

iggycooper64
iggycooper64

Even if he didn't kill him directly, he manipulated him into thinking that he can do it, so in my eyes the only answer is yes.

Luna23
Luna23

@TheIdleIdol Are you sure that you want to remembered for the last line in your post?  I will remember that when the inevitable next polls reflect one thing or the other a bit more to your liking.

Luna23
Luna23

@ClaireAbraham @Timhogan Fascinating that you viewed a Doctor that was the oldest of all of his regenerations as "immature".  How human a notion.  Fortunately, the Doctor would have no such notions. 

Timhogan
Timhogan

@CooperKing Agreed.  Eccleston was serious but kind of goofy.  Tennant was fiery with a goofy side.  And Smith was mostly goofy with a slight arrogance that made him have some awesome moments.  But now Capaldi has went a complete 180, if he is goofy, it's in that awkward sort of way.  Like while everyone is screaming flying down the tube into the human in this past episode, the Doctor is going "wwweeee." But mostly he's serious, he's direct, he doesn't get distracted.  Walks with a sense of "control" for lack of a better word.  Still 2 episodes in, one of my favorite parts about Capaldi's Doctor is how casually he flies the TARDIS.  No "HOLD ON" *flings the switch and camera starts shaking.*  It's just a nonchalant stride to the console, flips the lever and they are off. 

Grandfather
Grandfather

@iggycooper64 methinks there is a red herring element going on here, that we are being led to believe that this Doctor is harsher and capable of doing this, but later on we may find that he has somehow 'saved' the ones worth saving. I think the Half Faced man, jumped and because of that self-sacrifice the Doctor snatched him out of time and put him in the netherworld. Similarly the female soldier who sacrificed herself would also meet this criteria.

Remember that it was Moffat who wrote Day of the Doctor to ensure that the Doctor could never be that person who destroyed his own people....it wasn't true then and it wont be now.

ClaireAbraham
ClaireAbraham

@Luna23 @ClaireAbraham @Timhogan  It doesn't matter how many years he's actually been alive. I found Eleven's behavior to be very immature compared to that of many of the Doctors who came before him. The War Doctor made a reference to that, actually (along with Ten) in Day of the Doctor.


War Doctor: Do you have to talk like children? What is it that makes you so ashamed of being a grown-up? 

So The Doctor does indeed have a notion of immature vs. mature behavior, and he's capable of evaluating it and disagreeing with it if he thinks its inappropriate. 

Favonian Squall
Favonian Squall

@Grandfather @iggycooper64  There's a difference between committing genocide against your own race and 'murdering' other people. The destruction of his own people would be the highest darkness he could do (short of destroying the universe or something), and yes, we've seen that he couldn't bring himself to do that after all. But that doesn't mean he won't commit smaller-scale morally dubious acts if he needs to; I mean, we already know that the Doctor is capable of things like murder, of killing - we've seen him do it plenty of times before, to fully-living beings. He may not want to, but he's completely capable of it.



BeyondThePolice
BeyondThePolice

@Favonian Squall @Grandfather @iggycooper64 Agreed. People often talk on forums of how they "ruined" Superman in Man of Steel by having him "murder" his first nemesis, but they always seem to forget that he was acting in the defense of an innocent family, and if that a cop did the same act, he/she would probably be honored as a hero. The Doctor made it clear in those final moments that he was acting in defense of the people of Earth.

Christoph1337
Christoph1337

@BeyondThePolice @Favonian Squall @Grandfather @iggycooper64 Exactly. Remember what he said: something along the lines of "Don't underestimate how far I'm willing to go to save them, because unlike you I don't expect to reach the promised land." And in regards to whether or not the Half-Faced Man was killed or killed himself, I don't think we need an answer. I think it's best to leave the question unresolved and let the audience decide for themselves what happened. In short, the best answer is no answer at all. 

Grandfather
Grandfather

@BeyondThePolice @Favonian Squall @Grandfather @iggycooper64 Not disagreeing with anyones views on what the Doctor is or is not capable of, nor am I putting a value judgement on whether this would be a good or bad thing. Merely putting forward a theory on what I think might happening in this particular instance....happy to be wrong in the final analysis and look foward to finding out!

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