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Why I Love… Series 7

Guest contributor Will Atkinson wonders if the 2012-13 run gets too much criticism.

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In the time after it aired, Series 7 didn’t receive the best reception by some of the Doctor Who fandom. “Too long a wait between episodes”, “Moffat”, “convoluted stories”, “poor plotting”, “Moffat”, “not enough honouring the 50th anniversary”, “the acting”, “Moffat”… The list of criticisms goes on. But I’ve always found this a bit of a shock, because, quite frankly, I love Series 7. I would even go as far as to call it my favourite series since the show returned back in 2005. Why? If I had to pin it down, I would probably say it was due to the stories and plotting, how it honours the 50th anniversary, the acting and a certain sitcom writer from Paisley…

The Stories and Plotting

The Rings of Akhaten promo pics03I feel that the stories in Series 7 have been given a bit of a hard ride by fandom. I mean, I’ve seen reviews that give The Name of the Doctor 2s and 3s out of 10. Really? For a story that has loads of classic Doctors, the Great Intelligence and a pretty brilliant central premise. Having rewatched all of the series many times, there are no episodes I feel that are real clunkers*. Okay, some of them aren’t brilliant; episodes like The Rings of Akhaten and The Time of the Doctor are an acquired taste, but they do still have their merits. The Rings of Akhaten features great special effects, costumes and a knock out performance from Matt Smith. Nightmare in Silver makes the Cybermen into a real threat again, and manages to take us inside the Doctor’s head. The Power of Three gave us an insight into the life of the Ponds and introduced the wonderful Kate Stewart. The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe had….er…snow.

And those are just some of the episodes that didn’t go down well. Series 7 has some stories that if we’d got a few years ago would be hailed as classics. Asylum of the Daleks, The Angels Take Manhattan, The Snowmen, Cold War, Hide, The Name of the Doctor and, proof that the show isn’t on its last legs as some claim, The Day of the Doctor. Watching all these stories, I know I’m watching something that is quintessential Doctor Who, and I happily count them amongst my favourites.

In addition to the episodes, and unlike many, I quite liked the overall arc for the series and the notion of “The Impossible Girl”. Many fans have claimed it wasn’t very good as it didn’t have enough effect or bind the series together properly, and point to RTD’s as being better. Not wanting to spark yet another RTD vs Moffat debate (because it’s pointless – both are brilliant) some of RTD’s arcs are very thin- the one for Series 2 is barely an arc at all, as it consists of Torchwood being mentioned occasionally. Series 7’s arc poses a tangible mystery, and is tied up at the end. Unlike Series 7, episodes don’t feel odd for not having the arc mentioned- Clara is in over half the episodes, and the fantastic part of that is that she is the arc. This allows the show to get on and do what it does best-tell stories-and I think it does that rather well.

Honouring the 50th

hartnell-name-of-the-doctorSeries 7 holds the distinction of being the series centred on the 50th anniversary, so many fans felt that it should referenced that, and again I find it odd that some are underwhelmed by it in this area. It fits in lots of mentions and call-backs to the show’s past, in a way the revived series has never really done, and because of this I feel that it feels more like the Classic series than any of its 21st century predecessors.

Fan-pleasing, anniversary-marking, past-kissing things include: Ice Warriors, Zygons, the Great Intelligence, the Silurians, “every Dalek ever”( including my favourite – the Special Weapon Dalek), past Doctors in The Name of the Doctor, old control rooms, the blue crystal of Metebelis 3 and, rather wonderfully, the Eighth Doctor in The Night of the Doctor, even if that isn’t really part of Series 7. All of these show that the program’s past hasn’t been forgotten, and at the end of 2013 I felt as if the show had honoured all that had come before. Being the fan I am, this can’t help but make me love Series 7.

The Acting

smith-regen-speech-timeWhat can I say that hasn’t already been said about the talent of Matt Smith? He managed to win me round within seconds of tumbling out the TARDIS in “The Eleventh Hour”, and was my favourite Doctor by the same episode. Like David Tennant and Series 4, I felt as if Smith’s performance reached its apotheosis in Series 7. Whether shouting at evil sun-god’s, crying over the loss of his best friends or awkwardly reacting to social situations, he always gives a great performance, providing a centre for all the episodes to be built around.

Smith’s performances have been matched by his companions. Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill have their roles as the Ponds down to pat and I thought that they never put a foot wrong. Certainly, they were good enough to make my cry lone, manly tears as they jumped off the hotel’s roof in The Angels Take Manhattan. I also liked Jenna-Louise Coleman, and I thought she managed to play the splinters of Clara very well, and made a good companion as the original (or third…I’m not really sure). In their recurring roles, the Paternoster Gang were very funny and likeable. I can’t wait to see them in Series 8. I also liked Alex Kingston’s couple of episodes as River Song, and she still plays the part well. As I mentioned earlier Jemma Redgrave is great as Kate Stewart, and I hope she crops up next series. Finally, the guest stars were of the usual high standard, with my favorites being David Warner in Cold War and John Hurt as the War Doctor. So, on the side of the acting, I loved Series 7, and found it to be of an excellent standard.

Steven Moffat

moffat-day-of-the-doctor-3d-specsSo, I’ve made the case for why I like the acting, writing and general “Doctor Who-ness” of Series 7. However, I still feel as if I need to confront another important factor in why I liked the series so much, and why some didn’t. Yes, I’m talking about Moffat.

Back in 2010, when Moffat took over, he couldn’t have been higher in fan opinion as he’d written a string of brilliant episodes. After Series 5, he was certainly still popular, as his first series in the role of show runner had been a success. So why, four years later, is he such a marmite figure in fandom? This is something I’ve never really understood, and I feel as if some corners of fandom aren’t giving him his dues. I’ve seen people write mad rants about why he should be sacked as he’s a terrible writer and how RTD was so much better, but then go on to say their favourite episodes are The Empty Child and Blink. It’s things like this that really grind my gears. Even if you didn’t like Series 7, you can still see the man has talent, and I honestly believe he’s done more good for the show than bad.

Anyway, I’ve outlined my argument in this article for why I love Series 7, and for why I think it should get a bit more positivity. So, next time you’re watching it, keep this in mind, and maybe you’ll like it just a little bit more.

*Well, I didn’t like Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS much, but that was down to the acting of the guest stars.

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Scootersfood has 66 Seconds to live...
Scootersfood has 66 Seconds to live...

Series 7 is my favorite series. I loved it top to bottom. Filled with intriguing unique stories that they haven't covered much in the past (except Cold War, which was actually an amazing episode). I loved the Ponds in this series, and of course Clara. I love everything about it.


The One Eyestalk
The One Eyestalk

 I loved Series 7. Sure, there were a few ones I didn't like (Rings, Journey), but the rest were of a high quality multiple other shows simply could not produce. Masterpieces such as A Town Called Mercy, The Angels Take Manhatten, The Day of the Doctor, and, my personal favorite episode of Matt's era, The Snowman. The hate is far from deserved.

mlawesome
mlawesome

You rated Journey To The Centre Of The TARDIS 9.5/10 and said it was hard to top, but now you said you don't like it? I'm confused...

robohappy
robohappy

Personally, I preferred the RTD era of Moffats, although both are great. Anyway, although series 7 had flaws, I feel it had some Great episodes,  (The Speech in The Rings of Akhaten was AWESOME) and I feel the Name of the Doctor was the best out of the "Doctor" Trilogy, and one of the best finales of the show so far (Series 6 finale suuuucked). I also don't understand most of the Moffat hate (The Impossible Astronaut is my favorite intro episode of nu who!) Despite this, I have some Moffat hate in me due to how he handled the 13 regeneration limit and adding the War Doctor (no offense to the brilliant and badass John Hurt) So to me Moffat is a mixed bag, I could get really excited or really disappointment, and recently its been disappointment. 



DrWholocked
DrWholocked

I loved series 7, and I too don't get all the Moffat 'hate'.  Yes you can argue that some of the female characters could have a bit more bite, but then that's not Moff's fault. Amy and River were 2 of the best written female characters in the history of the show, I just wish their wardrobes were a bit more 'practicable'. Otherwise the acting - brilliant, the plots - brilliant, the writing - brilliant - nope can't think why there is so much negativity. I think that some viewers just need to open their eyes, hearts and minds a little more.




Moff keep it up. Miss Matt (and David!) but I'm looking forward to seeing Peter as the Doctor and hope that Clara gets more story development.  Roll on August!


WhoPotterVian
WhoPotterVian

I also loved series 7, although the first half was arguably stronger than the second.

ElyonWillonova
ElyonWillonova

Good article, I myself enjoyed series 7 very much. Think the whole fandom should have a bit more positivity, people focusing on the things they love rather the things they hate.

cyberbrayde
cyberbrayde

It be cool if Doctor went solo on part b, so we could focus on the Doctor Mystery at heart.

MaddyKika
MaddyKika

I really like Series 7. I think it's far from bad.

RoweMatthew
RoweMatthew

My only real problem with Series 7 is Clara. Once the Ponds left it changed the show and Clara didn't have enough personality to fill the gap that the two best companions left. I tried to like it and I watched it faithfully, but now after having given it time and with the DVD set on my shelf I'm just not interested in watching episodes after Angels Take Manhattan

BowtiesandSandshoes
BowtiesandSandshoes

To be honest each series from 2005 had its ups and downs. RTD wasn't great at times but neither was Moffat. Yes some of the plots were rushed (Especially The Power of Three, I blinked and suddenly it was done and dusted) or even a little bleak like Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. But then there were others that were executed greatly like The Bells of Saint John and Asylum of the Daleks which I felt kept you engaged and never rambled off track. But personally I think that series 7 is one of the best of NuWho and I really enjoyed "The Impossible Girl" arc. The acting was very good too, a little dusty from one or two guests maybe but I thoroughly enjoyed this series. Of course it had its few dodgy episodes and what not but what series didn't? Yes Moffat has gotten some things wrong sometimes or had weak episodes but so did RTD and some other writers, but you can't please everyone! So for me, I thought series 7 was ace and I cannot wait to see what series 8 gives us!











Konata_Sabaku
Konata_Sabaku

I did rather like series 7, wouldn't be my favourite but it wasn't the worst in my opinion. 

DaftDalek is Ceter Papaldi: Moon Lives!
DaftDalek is Ceter Papaldi: Moon Lives!

I'm sorry, but I think Series 7 is the worst of the revival. Although worst isn't the right word and many shows wish they had a series half as good as S7, for Doctor Who standards it was realatively weak (7,5/10 IMO). Some stories were uninvolving (Nightmare In Silver, Dinosaurs On A Spaceship), others just weak (Rings Of Akhaten), others already mediocre ruined by their ending (Cold War, The Power Of Three) and others while on the verge of being perfect, their ending (again) didn't allow them to be as good as they should be (Hide, The Snowmen). I didn't feel that the story arc was bad. On the other hand, it was greatly resolved, but the Doctor standing at the end of each episode watching Clara leaving the TARDIS and saying "Who are you?" or "You are the greatest mystery" wasn't a great way to remind it to us. Anyway, I have to admit Name was a much better finale than the disappointment Wedding was and there were some great episodes apart from Name, such as Asylum, Bells, Journey (you read right), The Crimson Horror and Hide (although its resolution was super-anticlimatic)

TheOncomingFish
TheOncomingFish

I loved series 5 and series 6. but series 7 just had something missing for me. I feel like it was more style over substance. Plus I just can't bring myself to care about Clara enough which has probably affected my enjoyment of it. I feel like we need to get to know her more as at the moment she doesn't seem to be particularly complex or interesting. I don't feel like Moffat spent enough time giving her development and depth, which is a shame as I know he's a fantastic writer and has the ability to give some great character development. That's just my opinion though!

Jono81
Jono81

I agree with everything except the individual stories. None were bad, but not many were knockouts, at least for me. 

Asylum was was really good, but doesn't make a ton of sense on rewatches. Dinosaurs was... yeesh. Power of Three was great, until the end. Bells felt sporadic. Rings was just boring, until the end speech. Cold War was completely unoriginal and didn't really have any notable moments. Hide had some nice parts and lots of potential, but overall I was let down. Crimson was pretty solid. Nightmare had the amazing fight-for-the-doctor's-brain scenes, but everything else was kind of stupid. Name, Snowmen, Angels, and Mercy were the only episodes I felt were truly great, and fewer than that were AMAZING. It was a better series than most of RTD's, but compared to the consistently fantastic-ness of S4, S5, and to a lesser extent, S6, it was nothing special. Just par for the course Dr Who. Which is great, but not amazing.













Oodkind is foretold...
Oodkind is foretold...

I think the main problems with series seven are this: 

First, the flow of every episode. Many of them feel rushed and awkward, and a lot of endings weren't very good. For example, The Power of Three was brilliant until the end. It needed a second part. Basically, it was an intense moment and the villain was revealed, and I expected that there would be a second part in which there would be a hard struggle to defeat the Shakri. But nope, the doctor just waved his magic screwdriver, and the story was over. Blimey. How about Time of the Doctor? It's not really Series 7, but it had the same problem. It had a good set up, but then Tasha narrated a few hundred years and the Doctor regenerated, somehow knocking the dalek spaceships out of the air. That's a whole other discussion about unrealistic stupidity, but it was the same underlining problem: the story was good until they ran out of time and had to tack on an ending.


Second, there were a lot of episodes that weren't executed well. How about Nightmare in Silver? It had the potential to be so good. But then, it felt rushed and shallow. A second part would have given enough time for the characters to develop, but as it was it was a bunch of shallow characters trying to build up intensity. It didn't work simply because the execution wasn't good. And then there was Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS. The directing was so bad that I'm surprised no one died from epilepsy. Or maybe someone did. It was all blurry most of the time, I guess to make it seem like the TARDIS was making us dizzy, but it was just cringeworthy. The acting was pretty bad too, and the plot didn't do much for me either. I think a lot of this was Moffat's decision of doing the blockbuster theme. It just didn't work well with the time allotted.


There were some good episodes, but a lot of average ones too. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, A Town called Mercy, the Rings of Akhaten, Cold War, Nightmare in Silver and Hide were all pretty average for me. And that's 46 percent of the series, not including the specials. Overall, I wouldn't call it a bad series; I'd probably put it on par with Series 2-- It's not the best, but it had it's moments.

MaraBackman
MaraBackman

While I don't want to defend the more hateful and mean comments about Moffat, I would like to offer a theory for one very possible reason to why there is so much anger directed at him these days. Besides the obvious bit about people having different preferences and opinions, the expression of these opinions tend to be affected by the responses and general atmosphere, which for the most part has been very intolerant towards dissenting opinions. So I would say that much of the anger directed at Moffat has less to do with him than with his fans, because he is associated with them and poor treatment from Moffat's fans causes people to feel more resentment towards him. 

Speaking for myself, I wasn't too fond of the changes brought about by Moffat during Series 5 and I noticed that even mild criticism of him was met with constant bullying all over the internet at the time. Quite a few of Moffat's more diehard fans were mean to such a degree that many of the bullied dissenters have over the years become more aggressive and extreme in the expression of their opinions, which has turned them into even worse bullies on many corners of the internet. But it isn't just about the more diehard Moffat-fans being obnoxious and rude towards everybody who isn't 100% enamored with Moffat's style and storyline. It's actually much more about the passive-aggressive and snobbish mannerism of many casual Moffat-fans which I among many others find insulting. There are many people that use every opportunity to jump to Moffat's defense even if no criticism has yet been expressed, with frequent comments like:


"This trailer/episode/interview should finally shut up all the Moffat-haters."

"Anybody who can not appreciate this episode should stop watching/grow up/commit suicide now." 

"Fans who can't get with the times and who have a preference for Doctors prior to Matt (but especially Tennant) aren't real fans."

"Everybody who complains is a fake Whovian/closet-hater, because real fans appreciate the show 100% and never ever complain."

Those are paraphrases of things I've read way too many times here, which quite honestly doesn't make me feel compelled to suddenly love Moffat's story if I didn't before. It's really tiresome to see any dissenting opinion belittled all the time as not a proper opinion, delivered by someone who supposedly is not a proper fan. I understand that fans of Moffat are upset if someone doesn't share their love for Mr Moffat's work, but it's really insulting and disheartening the way things are right now. There is an ever-growing intolerance towards all opinions that are less than glowing praise of Moffat, Matt or Clara. I have seen so often variations of the phrase "If you have nothing good to say, shut up", but mostly just the "shut up". Resentment is a gift that keeps on giving, which means that people will grow all the more resentful if their opinions are constantly belittled.

Malohkeh
Malohkeh

Series 7 has some of my favorite moments, but also some of my least favorite. To quote the Doctor: "The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa the bad things don’t always spoil the good things and make them unimportant."

Kerry222_xx
Kerry222_xx

Series 7 is my favourite in the Matt Smith era and yes there are flaws like Rings of Akhaten (I liked Journey to the Centre of the Tardis) and actually made me watch the rest of Matts era 5-7

BazHood
BazHood

Still the greatest TV show of them all but none of s7 stands upto real 'classic' status, I'm afraid. If any of these stories match upto say, 'Genesis of the Daleks', 'Caves of Androzani', 'Inferno', 'The Mind Robber' or even 'Blink', 'Midnight' or Human Nature/Family of Blood' from the new series, in 25 years time, I'll eat my Tardises! Day of the Doctor might just sneak a place in the top echelon of stories for it's fairly unarguable awesomeness but the majority of s7 falls way short, certainly of classic status. Some good, some serviceable and some downright clunkers. Just a normal season of Who then :P

DawnTime
DawnTime

Series 7 is probably the best series for me and i have been a fan for 35 years. Especially 7b Hide is simply amazing acting atmosphere etc.

KarenBee2
KarenBee2

See, I don't see hate in this thread every time someone might express a view that they didn't enjoy a particular aspect of series 7. The word hate has been hijacked by fandom to shut down criticism and negate all parts of an alternative viewpoint. It implies implacable bias. Of course there will be some people including on this forum who might be genuine haters of either Moffat or RTD but please let's moderate this extreme language. For my own mind, I find no series perfect or completely flawed and it is not because I am not opening my mind, heart or eyes. It is my opinion, like eveyone else's. I find Series 7 a mixed bag with great acting generally but not always, some good storytelling, great visuals, some outstanding directing but if I were to then list the things I don't like as much, am I a hater?

Don't mean to pick on your post but this hyperbolic language frustrates me.

And yes I am looking forward to Peter C like you!

MeglosProductions
MeglosProductions

@DrWholocked  I'm not the biggest fan of Moffat's era. I liked Series 5, but Series 6 and 7 for me were just not very good at all. So, honestly I think Moffat should leave if Series 8 is not good enough. However, I still don't get all the hate the man gets. I hate people who just blatantly hate on ALL of his era without going into any episode with an open mind. Some people's disappointed reactions to Day and Time of the Doctor (both of which I enjoyed by the way, despite hating Series 6 and 7) are huge examples of this.

 Notsosmartguy Will Kill the Moon
Notsosmartguy Will Kill the Moon

@DrWholocked part of thinks whovians love negativity as from what I hear RTD got the same treatment as Moffat is getting now from the vocal minority. I just don't understand this fandom sometimes.

ShameOnSM
ShameOnSM

@Oodkind   Personally I prefer series 7 than series 5 and 6 purely because of The Doctors character he was much more serious. Alot of series 5 and 6 stories were confusing to me...I think in series 5 Matt was trying to act like Tennant...series 6 just seemed boring kinda. Series 7 the nice Tardis new outfit just more enjoyable to watch as a family than series 5 and 6 snogging...





Galax
Galax

@Oodkind How the directing was bad in Journey ? The library, the Time Zombies, the chase around the main console, that Eye of Harmony scene, the foggy cliff, that exploded engine were all bloody beautiful !

ShikeraSwish
ShikeraSwish

@MaraBackman As someone who is a fan of Moffat's work, I can say we Moffat get way more flack for it from Davies-obsessed cling-ons for liking Moffat's work. We're accused of misogyny (and so is Moffat, which is ridiculous) and racism and all kinds of stupid things just to demonise us. It's pathetic and disgusting and makes interacting with the fandom an absolutely awful experience. Meanwhile we just want to enjoy Steven's work without having to listen to people pretending to be offended and acting like Moffat is Satan because a character isn't a ginger black women with a disability. 

bluBob
bluBob

@MaraBackman In all fairness, most people who lash out like that, aren't targeting the thoughtful and rather polite critiques of Moffat and his writing, most of the time they are targeted at those whose critiques can be downright mean-spirited complaints about him and what they believe he has done to the show. Not all the time, mind you... but most.

KarenBee2
KarenBee2

Thank you. Eloquently put. Might I add the term Tennant fan girl as a perjorative term used to undermine comments which might suggest that everything since 2010 has not been perfect. I think that younger and particularly female fans who express passionate views about the show can be dismissed in a very condescending way. Are older males who are very strongly supportive of a particular era, Doctor or actor and label themselves as fanboys viewed so sneeringly?

This forum is very open minded and considerate of other people's feelings in general and long may it be so.

TheNightmareChild will ascertain its true nature
TheNightmareChild will ascertain its true nature

@MaraBackman I don't consider myself a "Moffat hater" personally.  I like him when I like him and I like him most of the time.  But I definitely take your point.  I mean, the guy's a good writer and everything, but seriously, the word 'genius' has lost all meaning for me at this point.

Mary Sue's Vertue
Mary Sue's Vertue

@MaraBackman A very thoughtful statement Mara. I have been a fan of ''Who'' since the early '70's and when the show returned in 2005, I had less trouble adapting to the revived show's new direction and style than many other of the ''old guard'', in fact I embraced it with joy, ''Doctor Who'' was back on television, it was fresh, exciting and it felt new. like yourself, what has troubled me over the past few years is the way some fans react to even the slightest criticism of Steven Moffat's writing or showrunning. I believe Moffat is a fantastic writer, and as a show we are blessed to have him helming it, but he is not some deity that is beyond criticism and his ''fan boys'' should stop this elitist 'BS, because they are the ones who are compartmentalising the series, creating factions. I love this show, regardless of the ''era'', it's all ''Doctor Who'', and we should all be grateful that two of the greatest and most creative television drama writers have been in charge of the ship during it's 21st century incarnation

Huknar
Huknar

@MaraBackman You have completely hit the nail on the head. I didn't even notice until you mentioned just now, and I am a little bit sad because of it.

MaraBackman
MaraBackman

I might add here that I imagine that the exact same treatment caused resentment among many of those who didn't enjoy the RTD-era, because it wouldn't surprise me if dissension was met the same way back then.

Huknar
Huknar

@Galax @Oodkind I liked journey, a lot. The best Clara moment was in this episode, on the bridge with the eye of harmony. How many people actually thought she was going to die again? It was both horrible and exciting. My stomach literally dropped at that moment. But this episode suffers from three bad actors which I do not need to name.

Malohkeh
Malohkeh

@Galax @Oodkind I despise Journey, personally, but certainly not for the directing. The direction was perfectly fine, and very well done at parts. The problems lay in the acting of the guest characters and in parts of the script.

MaraBackman
MaraBackman

@bluBob @MaraBackman It honestly doesn't really matter who they intend to lash out, considering how often the polite critiques are targeted with the same vitriol. What makes it bad is that people are treated as traitors to some vague Whovian cause.

MaraBackman
MaraBackman

@KarenBee2 There is a shocking amount of casual misogyny within the fandom, which most of the ones using fangirl as an insult fail to understand.

beskar
beskar

@KarenBee2 "Are older males who are very strongly supportive of a particular era, Doctor or actor and label themselves as fanboys viewed so sneeringly?" -- No, but you'll find that's generally because these "older males" have slogged through decades of the show. In comparison the so-called "Tennant fan girls" appeared to not give a hoot during the Eccleston era, then appeared en masse for Tennant, then declared the post-Tennant era to be rubbish; often before they'd seen a single Smith episode. If you place yourself in the shoes of people watching this happen; watching these girls ignore a Doctor, then go ga-ga over a Doctor, then slag off the following Doctor, you will get some insight into why "Tennant fan girls" is a disparaging comment. You might not like it, but that is WHY it happens.







MaraBackman
MaraBackman

@TheNightmareChild @MaraBackman What bothers me is that the term "Moffat-hater" applies to everybody who isn't a diehard fan of his, no matter what many of them claim when they are called out on it.

MaraBackman
MaraBackman

@Mary Sue's Vertue @MaraBackman True dat. I'd say that many fans did Moffat a great disservice by touting his reign as a golden era comparable to the Second Coming of Christ, because that raised expectations a lot. Another problem is the elitism of many who find Moffat's storyline to be flawless, when they believe that people would only be capable of disliking the story due to them being stupid and unable to follow it. While I don't like the storyline and I never warmed up to Matt entirely, I think it's still the same show at core. I'd say that when Russel was incharge the revived show felt most like the Classic show did in the 1970's, which is my favourite period of the entire show's history. During Moffat's run so far I've been much more reminded of Doctor Who in the 80's, which I'm unfortunately not nearly as fond of. Because Matt's tenure didn't gel with me I would definitely want some changes now that Capaldi has taken over the role.Most of all I would want Moffat to either tone down his signature style or lessen his contribution to just one or two standalone episodes per season, because I don't like his approach to bigger storylines.

MaraBackman
MaraBackman

@bluBob @MaraBackman Of course not, which is why I'm annoyed by the way people who happen to share my opinions behave. But that is not at all what I meant. The thing that angers me so much is that it isn't just about the most visibly obnoxious fans of whatever preference being mean towards each other and causing fights, but that everybody with even slight criticism towards the current showrunner is lumped into the same category as the really horrible ones. Someone might say something as mild as them not really caring about Clara yet, or that they are starting to soften their views on something Moffat wrote that they didn't like, but the response will still be just as negative as if they went for a huge rant about Moffat deserving to be killed for something or other.

bluBob
bluBob

@MaraBackman @bluBob I'm not trying to defend them, I'm personally of the more anti-bully variety. Just pointing out that just about all sides of every Doctor Who argument ever has had its angry, sometimes downright vicious fans, defending their viewpoints...


No side is completely innocent on the bullying front.