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Trenzalore – What happened next?

Guest contributor Greg House offers a theory.

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We all hear complaints of the Moffat era, claims from a certain portion of fans that stories are not being completed. Personally I’ve always liked to use imagination to fill in the blanks, but I understand some people not wanting that and finding it confusing, so to those I thought I would offer a theory on what happened to Trenzalore when the Doctor left with Clara to regenerate…

The crack – It wasn’t 100% clear but it looks as though the crack has vanished from Trenzalore, whether we’ll see it again or not, is unknown, but I don’t think it plays another part in the story of Trenzalore. With the crack gone, so too is the never-ending question and then also the Daleks and enemies. The attraction of Trenzalore is gone.

But now the survivors of the battle are left in the ruins of the town of Christmas, the planet devastated by battle. I like to think that the Church of the Mainframe took this chance to evacuate the planet and get the survivors to safety. Left now with just the ruins of this planet the Church of the Mainframe begins its tributes to the dead, grave markers for the fallen, the innocent and the warriors, finally, a tribute to the man who gave it all to keep the peace in the universe. The Doctor. For him, the Mainframe constructs a giant TARDIS to honour the Doctor, basing it on the current design as seen by Tasha Lem. Before long there’s a giant TARDIS monument, which can be entered by people wishing to pay tribute to the man who saved them all.

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This next part uses wibbly wobbly science I’ve taken from years of Big Finish audios and comics. To document the Doctor’s heroic acts, survivors of the battle “donate” memories in the central TARDIS console room, so that others can experience the memory of how the Doctor saved them, before long this becomes a kind of universal tourist attraction, memories being donated from battles from centuries before, other adventures, other Doctors. The energy from this finally becoming so condensed that it splits a hole in the fabric of reality, opening up a window not just to the memory of these events, but also to the actual special event. Realising what a danger this could be to the Doctor and the universe, the Papal Mainframe go about sealing the console room, to protect the Doctor and his time line from damage. Eventually the only sun orbiting the planet dies, and this section of the universe is left to die, the Doctor’s “tomb” being a secret hidden away. Hundreds of years after it is abandoned, the Eleventh Doctor and Clara arrive…

This explains the events of “The Name of the Doctor” with just a few little tweaks, a tear in the fabric of space-time could be enough to put the TARDIS of wanting to land, or even being able to land anywhere near Trenzalore. It could also account for the events and memories Clara remembered when climbing through the wreckage of the TARDIS. Now we just need to explain the “River Song” grave and secret entrance, for this I can only assume either the 12th Doctor or Tasha Lem had something to do with this, knowing how Clara needed to enter the Doctor’s time stream and this being vital to the wellbeing of the universe.

With this, hopefully reasonable explanation I hope to have provided you with a possibility to the events of “The Name of the Doctor” and “The Time of the Doctor” running in unison. Please leave comments and theories below, I love reading alternate theories!

Oh, by the way, yes, my name really is Greg House!

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93 comments
ash1179
ash1179

question that gets me is that on christpher's last episode The Doctor says to rose that the tardis will just pack dust and die quietly but the destroyed tardis on trenzalore doesn't work like that

GabrieleLiuzzi
GabrieleLiuzzi

For me it's instead very easy, every time-travel movie and TV series audience would understand it. I'll try to explain myself in the least horrible English I know: the Tomb was the actual Tardis dying with his "bigness" being released (as said by the doctor himself); the time stream in the console room is the actual totally decomposed corpse of the Eleventh Doctor (Thirteenth body), cause yes, as the Doctor said in many years, maybe centuries, a time lord's corpse become a time stream. The lock and the secret passage is a mean used by the Tardis itself to protect and secure the time stream of the Doctors. And NOW that tomb on Trenzalore doesn't even exist.. well it's better to say that it has never existed: when, from another universe (so out of the time stream of the doctor and out of the entire existence of the universe) the Time Lord Council released its "gift" to the Doctor, they totally annihilated the future we saw in "The Name of the Doctor", interfering in these events, creating a new future, when the Doctor didn't die on Trenzalore, instead he win and stay alive. Because only someone not involved in the present (in this case even out the universe itself) can change the past (as said in "The Time of the Doctor"). 


dewyjns
dewyjns

It can still be possible that the Doctor may die in Trenzalore at some other point in future. The events in TOTD may have just delayed the whole scenario but it could still be his grave as we saw in NoTD.

Derpmeister
Derpmeister

Good ideas, I think that makes a lot of sense.

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

I haven't read the article as I'm too tired right now, but I do just hate how Moffat does just leave it up to interpretation. After that massive build up. The same goes for The Doctor's name. Not that I wanted it to be stated, but after such a build up, to just basically say that it doesn't matter, was so silly.

AdamFoster
AdamFoster

What if trenzalore is where the Doctor goes, Where does he go when he regenerates? Maybe this is where all of the Doctors past selfs go

Gerard Morvan
Gerard Morvan

I remember having posted on thks forum a similar theory (although, for me, it was the inhabitants of Trenzalore who erected the monument, et that they had put in it all the tools the Doctor left behind, among which a "back-up" of the Tardis).. Still, nice to see I'm not the only one who had this idea.

The Finn
The Finn

Rather "doctorly" writing (in a good way), Mr. House!

thecursed1222
thecursed1222

there is no paradox, because temporal paradoxes are simply 4th dimensional loops that can exist because space-time is realy flexible and can be tied in knots

MrThorfan64
MrThorfan64

Which audios and comics is this science from?


MrThorfan64
MrThorfan64

As DW has showed, what matters is that it appears that way. You could say there were two potential timelines, this and one where the Doctor died. They both led to this point. Also maybe the timestream appearing that way was due to proximity to the crack.

TimothyFosseen
TimothyFosseen

I like Tim Hogan's theory the best. It makes the most sense.  The Doctor did go into his future when he went to Trenzalore in The Name Of The Doctor, so he could have been seeing the result of what happened in The Time Of The Doctor and just misinterpreted what it meant.

RichardTyler
RichardTyler

The more important question is how did the doctor and Clara escape his timestream.

RichardTyler
RichardTyler

Nice theory. But who's to say the tardis tomb and doctor pass on trenzalore. In some future time yet to be the tardis could transport the dying doctor back there. His link to the tardis and guilt over the losses at trenzalore sets his final location. And in time the tardis decays as explained in the story.

Creepy_Ghoul
Creepy_Ghoul

This article again shows us that fans should write for Doctor Who. We would make so many awesome episodes (or audiobooks).

pinkjaguar12
pinkjaguar12

This is such a beautiful theory. A universal monument to the Doctor - how lovely.

Polyphase
Polyphase

Fair theory but I prefer the real one we all saw on TV. I thought the explanation for the huge Tardis was clever in TNOTD:)

Seaborn W Deadman
Seaborn W Deadman

Love this theory! I also think however that the Papal Mainframe has lots of cosmic power, it isn't too far off to imagine that somehow they simply procured the Doctors scar tissue through the universe and put it in the monument. I like the memories thing too but I think the former is more straightforward. Not exactly scientifically plausible either one but neither is the concept of scar tissue through the universe anyways XD wibbly wobbly, timey wimey.

ilyootha is back in home Universe
ilyootha is back in home Universe

A nice theory, but it misses the point of the authorial intention, IMO. Why are people desperately trying to tie the dying Trenzalore from Name and the current Trenzalore from Time into the same universe? I thought the idea that time was rewritten and the graveyard Trenzalore was erased for good was made pretty clear in The Time of the Doctor.


sontaran17
sontaran17

I like this theory a lot! Great job!

Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!
Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!

It's a good theory (clever usage of the "memory donation" idea), but it is also a narratively unnecessary one. There's no need for there to be a tomb stand-in in this timeline so that the past can still come to, er... pass; the "past" is an old timeline is being held together just fine by the Time Lords. They enabled the future be changed because, as Time Lords, they can do that sort of thing. Explained in the show as simple as that. There never has to be a "tomb" on Trenzalore for Clara to walk into because that's an old timeline. In this timeline, things will be different, but that won't matter because we only follow the one iteration of the Doctor.

Malohkeh
Malohkeh

I've gotten rather sick of Doctor Who fan theories (too much it's the Master/Rani/Omega, Clara is CAL, Clara is Rose/Tentoo's daughter, Clara is Rose, etc.) so I was apprehensive going in to this article. I shouldn't have been. This is a great little headcanon. I love it!

Taz C
Taz C

@GabrieleLiuzzi  Would have worked, except that means Clara never went into the Doctor's time stream, so her whole arc never happened. I'm still trying to work it out myself. I think it's a plot hole. :(

Thesilence_1994
Thesilence_1994

@TimothyFosseen But then why did the doctor and Clara see a big tardis in 'Name of the Doctor' that never happened in 'Time of the Doctor'.

KingOfTheInterWebs has Kidneys
KingOfTheInterWebs has Kidneys

@RichardTyler  I always assumed that since in a way the timestream is The Doctor's life and in a way also like a dream-like place or a mind-like thing that The Doctor can control when he's in there, I assume that they just left the timestream simply by being there, basically just making it so they suddenly turn up in modern day London somewhere or just outside the tomb. Clara couldn't do it because it's not her timestream to control, she would get splintered across time and can manipulate time that way because it's raw time that she's jumped into, placing her in almost every moment in he timestream but she wouldn't be able to control it. As for the GI, same reason as Clara but especially so as his intentions were to kill The Doctor and undo achievements, with the belief that once he was in there he was dead, so there would be no way he could get out and probably died in there or at least got dump somewhere in time and space possibly physically or just as a splinter.

A Friend of the Ood
A Friend of the Ood

@Creepy_Ghoul I wish Big Finish would give some fans a chance to write a few episodes, then Moffat (or whoever the showrunner is at the time) could choose the best to write for the show.

Malohkeh
Malohkeh

@Creepy_Ghoul I just saw fans today proclaiming that Twelve needs to visit Rose, Jackie, Mickey, and Tentoo. Not all fan ideas would make awesome episodes.

Mikeyboss182
Mikeyboss182

@ilyootha Because I think a lot of people (like myself) would of preferred a better and much more clever conclusion to the Trenzalore arc then simply time being rewritten again. Moffat dose this all the time and it's lazy storytelling as far as i'm concerned.  

NumberNine
NumberNine

@ilyootha it's clear, but a lot of fans are bummed that the "impossible girl" story line that they got invested in just got rewritten and none of it even technically happened anymore.

HohenheimOL
HohenheimOL

@ilyootha Yeah, I assumed the Time Lords were capable of sweeping the whole fiasco under the rug, but didn't know exactly how dire the situation until someone(Clara) actually told them. Which would mean the Doctor assumed they wouldn't be willing to help him. Which ties in with TWORS's theme of the Doctor assuming he's on his own when it turns out he has countless allies who've got his back if he's just willing to ask.

Rani Nose
Rani Nose

Clara is the Doctor. Eleven and Clara almost touching hands while regeneration energy was emanating from the Doctor was no accident. The Doctor took Clara's form and transferred Clara into what was going to be his body. That explains why the apparent twelfth Doctor didn't know how to fly the TARDIS.

Ivegotnewkidneys on the 23rd
Ivegotnewkidneys on the 23rd

@Malohkeh My little fan theory is Clara is jenny and then she grows up on gallifrey to become the Rani and then the Rani decides to regenerate to look like Rose ; )

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

@Taz C @GabrieleLiuzzi I didn't read your explanation fully, GabrieleLiuzzi. But I just want to point out how it is never explained how they actually get out of the time stream.

A Friend of the Ood
A Friend of the Ood

@Taz C @GabrieleLiuzzi The only explanation I can think of
is that Time of the Doctor created a new timeline. In the original timeline, it still happened, the Doctor still died there and his tomb on Trenzalore still exists. 


It's still a plot hole. The big story arc of the season should be possible to understand logically without having to make up reasons why it can work.

TheDreamer
TheDreamer

It's not a plot hole, it's just a paradox... Paradox that the Timelords can easily sustain. And they can just as easily decide to send the TARDIS back to Trenzalore after the Doctor's death (whenever that happens to be in the future), with only his first cycle of regenerations extracted and added as we saw in Name of the Doctor. Then the huge TARDIS we saw would be there for Clara to jump in said time stream as she did. Loop closed, paradox ended. Problem solved... though it never really is a problem for the Timeless lol.

The Finn
The Finn

@50doctorwho @MrThorfan64 "This next part uses wibbly wobbly science I’ve taken from years of Big Finish audios and comics" I think that's what they're referring to.




ilyootha is back in home Universe
ilyootha is back in home Universe

@NumberNineAh, yes, "it never happened anymore". Another one people love to say for some reason...



Yes, the events of Name were erased. Yes, they don't happen anymore. In the Doctor's future, that is. But they still happened in his past! He and Clara already experienced it. Remember, time is not "a strict progression of cause to effect". Sometimes an effect can exist without a cause. Yes, which means there is a paradox - but then there are Time Lords involved, who, as we all know, are capable of dealing with paradoxes.


TheDreamer
TheDreamer

Timelords ... not Timeless... Darn auto correct needs to learn about Doctor Who lol.