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Speculating on Series 8′s “Big Bad”

Guest contributor Liam Catterson takes a look at some potential candidates.

We have a long time before we discover who will be the main threat for Peter Capaldi’s first full series of Doctor Who, but we can at least speculate in the meantime. So I present my list here for your consideration. Note: I am not going to debate what scenarios because there is a universe of possibilities and I can tell Moffat has something amazing already cooked up in his cunning mind.

The Master

the-master-the-end-of-time-hoodMany people were expecting Benedict Cumberbatch to play the Master in Matt Smith’s era, but as we know it didn’t happen. This is one of the more likely picks because the Master is the one villain, paralleled to races like the Daleks and the Cybermen, who will keep emerging in the show no matter what. Despite Steven Moffat’s previous claims, I believe we’ve seen the last of the Master as played by John Simm. As much as I admire Simm in the role, I think a change is needed. I felt The End of Time was an appropriate end to his incarnation. The Master essentially saved the Doctor in his last onscreen appearance. Would it make sense for Simm’s Master to have beef with the Doctor again? No, not to me, but we’ll see what happens…

The Weeping Angels

time-of-the-doctor-tv-trailer-(9) weeping angelArguably Moffat’s greatest creation, though I can acknowledge that ever since Blink they have been played out somewhat. The Angels Take Manhattan saw minor progress to their role in the Whoniverse. From what has been said about Capaldi’s Doctor, we’re anticipating a fierce Doctor, so does that mean emotions will get the better of the Doctor if he were to encounter the Angels once more? Probably, probably not… This is not Matt Smith’s incarnation any more and there was little reaction from him at Christmas. If the reports about the format of Doctor Who next series are true, we should have a two parter for the finale and a two parter might play out well for the Angels if they are to be the finale enemy. However, two things need to be kept in mind. One, don’t make it a mess like The Time of Angels/Flesh of Stone and please don’t leave any plotholes such as how did the Statue of Liberty move without anyone noticing? Or how did the Angel that took Amy and Rory get dealt with? We need a story on the quality of Blink. I think the Angels against Clara and Twelve would be very remarkable.

The Rani

the raniI think I can speak for the Whoniverse when I say that a lot of fans would like to see the return of the Rani. It’s a move that could bring the devotion of classic fans. Now Moffat has spoken about this in the past and stated that most would not know about the Rani’s history if he brought her back. But that being said, he brought back the Great Intelligence and not many people would know it over the Rani, so this could be more a factor of Moffat just not wanting to bring back the character. Now granted, the Rani has met the Doctor a few times on-screen, so did other villains that were brought back in the new series, but if the Rani is back there has got to be some quality added in her character and not just a female version of the Master. Something more distinct…

The Daleks

daleks-50th-anniversaryCome on! How can I not have the Daleks on this list? They are just bound to appear in next series. Whether it’s episode two as rumoured or the finale, they will come back like a cold. The Daleks are the Doctor’s deadliest and oldest enemies and if you don’t know that, you’re not really a Whovian. Now the Daleks are not my ideal choice for a return, I will admit that, but it’s almost always rumoured they will be in the finale of every series. They have only not appeared in the finale of Series 3 and Series 7, so since the revival they have been in five finales (I am not counting any specials by the way). It’s quite possible, and the chemistry between the Daleks and Capaldi’s Doctor will be very interesting. Again with the Rani and the Angels, this would need to be something interesting, not a typical Dalek plot…

Omega

omega-doctor-whoAhh, I love hearing about the frequent rumours of Omega returning in the big event episodes. The Pandorica Opens, A Good Man Goes to War, The Day of the Doctor and so on. It just marvellous to hear, but Omega is comparable to the Rani in the sense that Omega didn’t have too much on-screen activity so Moffat would possibly pull the ‘not much awareness on the character’ card. We saw Rassilon return, but Omega coming back would just be a dream. Omega will return one day because I am sure Moffat or whoever runs Doctor Who in the future will eventually submit to the fans. I think if they keep the reliability of what Omega had in the classic series into the new that will gratify a lot of people.

The Cybermen

time-of-the-doctor-tv-trailer-(2) cybermenAnother old enemy of the Doctor that will be destined to clash with Capaldi at some time in the future. My problem is if Capaldi’s Series 8 finale enemy ends up being the Cybermen, there is the probability they will end up being the same as the Daleks in that they are being overused. They were in the penultimate episode of Series 7 and briefly in The Time of the Doctor, so to end series 8 with the Cybermen could be too soon. Combine it with the fact that a lot of people didn’t have a good impression on the last couple of Cybermen stories. If anything, it’s imperative their next story works on their quality as a monster. They need to upgrade into a character the Whoniverse can esteem once more.

A new enemy?

In Series 6 Moffat produced the Silence as the main enemy and with Series 8 he could perhaps do the same. The Silence became a smash hit and Moffat is a genius at making monsters come to life. A new enemy needs to generate something special, the fear factor, the looks (And I am not talking dashing), the hostility, an enemy that pushes the Doctor to his limits would be cool, but it needs to stand out. So I can’t comment much on this apart from the requirements this monster would need…

Conclusion

I am sure Capaldi will play the Doctor in the finales well and I am sure whatever faces his Doctor will offer a grand battle. We’ll perhaps find out via the spoilers over the months ahead but until then we can only speculate. This is Liam Catterson hoping that you appreciated this list of potential enemies for Capaldi’s Series 8 finale enemy. You can make your comments on who you would like to see face Capaldi’s Doctor below. Thanks for reading.

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TheOncomingStorm
TheOncomingStorm

Please not the Angels or the Daleks, thye both need a rest. And maybe not the Cybermen either. The Master, Omega or the Rani I'm up for though. 

kevincupit
kevincupit

Sorry but you cannot forget the shows past so there is no harm in occasionally "nipping back" for instance how about an historical story with an old Jamie or a CyberAdric!!!

Also everyone likes a multi Doctor story but how about a Multi Master story - The Movie Master, Simm's & The Deadly Assasin Master perhaps introducing the "new" Master.

ZZBoomslang
ZZBoomslang

On the contrary, I think Simm’s Master has a GREAT reason to be at odds with the Doctor again. He was willing to sacrifice himself to save the Doctor and vanquish the Time Lords in the End of Time, but the Doctor certainly never attempted to return the favor and save him from the time lock (in fact, he never showed concern for him in the slightest and has only mentioned him in passing twice ever since). Rassilon wasn’t the only Time Lord to support the notion of Time Lord ascension- practically the entire council was in agreement. The Master would have been deemed a war criminal, locked away and punished. On top of this, his last sacrificial act was ultimately negated by the Doctor’s decision to release the Time Lords from the time lock and save Gallifrey (which, let’s be honest here, was a stupid-ass decision on the Doctor’s part seeing as Gallifrey’s government is corrupt through and through and a huge chunk of the population would have a massive grudge against him for helping to throw them into the time lock in the first place). Seeing as The Master’s been tortured by the drums from childhood solely due to the Time Lords, and even the Tenth Doctor said that they were just as bad as the Daleks, I think the Master would be infuriated by the idea of rescuing them all and releasing them back into the universe. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the Master was driven into even further insanity since he was thrown into the unending hell of the Time War. Perfect reason for him not to be pleased to see the Doctor upon his return to Gallifrey (I do assume that this is what Moffat’s been building up to- the Doctor returning to Gallifrey). Not that any of this speculation matters, considering that Moffat finds the Master's character "limiting and cartoony" and probably has no plans whatsoever to bring him or any villains he didn't create from RTD's era back. 





DawnTime
DawnTime

I would not mind omega or something new.! never liked the cybermen they don't do anything for me really. Daleks (give them a rest), think we have had enough of the master ! would not mind the Weeping angels. 

Exalos
Exalos

The Valeyard would be quite cool too. He supposed to appear somewhere around this time, and now we know the time lords are alive, a time lord enemy, not to mention a form of the doctor that consist of his dark emotions sounds extremely appropriate. He was even mentioned in the name of the doctor even if it was just Moffat's one time impulse. A Darker doctor vs An evil doctor sounds so much fun.





VictorWong1
VictorWong1

1. There is no reason to change actors for the Master. John Simm is still alive and healthy, and if he can make his acting schedule work then of course the writing staff could do up a story. Otherwise they can just get another character to play the role of "enemies since childhood."


2.  The Weeping Angels: yes, they were overused, and yet I wouldn't mind seeing them again. The key to using them, however, is as a "force of nature" that generates a circumstance of the story, instead of an alien antagonist. In other words, have them zap X back in time,  and have the Doctor figure out how to retrieve X as well as put the menacing Angel to bed.


3. The Rani: okay, let's get this out of the way. The *only* reason the Rani (as a character) is appealing is because, as a Time Lord who knew the Doctor prior to his leaving, she's part of his backstory.  Take those details away, and what you're left with is an unethical scientist. The writing team can do lots of those depending on the situation to be set up, so there's no real call for a story specifically involving the Rani.


4.  The Daleks: again, overused, but this time the excuse is their iconic status: the Xth Doctor always has to deal with the Daleks. (Even the Eighth had to retrieve the Master's dead body from the Daleks at Skaro.) Unless they use the Dalek Drones, there's simply no way to make them scary; they've been around for far too long. So the key is to make them do something that the audience would never expect. (For example, being responsible for keeping a planet alive.) Same thing with the Cybermen.


5.  Omega: his story ended in Amsterdam. Why bring him back?


There is one statement here that I simply have to disagree with:

" I am sure Moffat or whoever runs Doctor Who in the future will eventually submit to the fans."


NO. NO. NO. Absolutely NOT.


The one, absolutely foolproof method to killing Doctor Who as a viable program is to "give the fans what they want." That leads to story stagnation, arrested character development, and incentive to cut budgets and therefore quality.


So: no stories involving Time Lords or past companions; that allows the mystery of the Doctor's backstory some breathing room. (If you want the Doctor to be a dark character, then you leave his backstory alone and unexposed.) No stories bringing back classic Monsters simply for the sake of having them.


Instead of "submitting to the fans," Moffat and his writing crew should do what they've always done -- give the fans stories that they *least expect.* There'll be some hits, there'll be some misses. But it will get them buzzing, and that means they'll be returning for more.

thelonelycenturion
thelonelycenturion

Do we actually need a big bad? I think it would be charming change of pace to have no over-reaching arc (besides character developement) and just have standalone single stories (or two parters). 

DaftDalek
DaftDalek

Oh yes, Omega! that would be awesome!

Ninjauthor
Ninjauthor

I think we could see several of these villains during series 8, though I wouldn't suspect us seeing a big villain in this season more likely it'll be spun out over a several series arc during capaldis era-like Moffat did in matts-and will likely have something to do with the time lords return. The villain of the series finale could be any of these (hopefully not another alliance)

JFrance
JFrance

The Daleks will probably be in series 8 but not as the big bad guys they will just appear in a normal episode and I don't see the Rani returning any time soon either. I think the Master or a new enemy will be the big baddie in series 8 that's what I think.

WhoPotterVian
WhoPotterVian

It needs to be the Master. His return is long overdue as he has been out of the series for three series now, series 8 being the fourth should he not return. 

nelly1977
nelly1977

I think for a lot of fans of DW, the time for moff has come to go and concentrate on Sherlock rather than who, I have been watching who since 1977 and never had a problem with story's until moff took over and the story arcs and all that, seriously I have a six year old who is constantly asking dad what's going on and I say if I knew I would tell you, on the subject of villains rest the Cybermen, daleks, ood, silence and all that and bring back proper monsters from the past don't need to mention them but all older viewers will know what I mean!

Richy Woo
Richy Woo

Now for the very first time in his existence The Master is free from the manipulation of the Timelords he is a much more interesting character. 



It would make so much sense for The Master to stand in opposition of The Doctors attempts to restore the Time Lords to our universe. The Master would no longer be the power crazy bad guy, but the voice of reason battling The Doctor to protect the Universe from a second timewar and the influence of the Time Lords.



Exalos
Exalos

How about the whispermen? They are kind of the "anti-silence" in looks and we know nothing about them except that they helped the great intelligence. They look really cool and i'd love to see them turned into a more complex, more threatening villain.  

Adric the Genius
Adric the Genius

I'd quite like a few renegade Time Lords to escape the Time War and work together as the villains.  Perhaps a quartet of the Master, the Rani, the Monk and another, new villain. 

Strontium
Strontium

One thing I've always thought about returning is the Vashta Nerada. Obviously this isn't the sort of thing that should just be put in for the sake of it, but I think somebody should be able to come up with a fantastic, and really scary (change of trousers scary) story with them. I personally am not keen on seeing the Master return. I loved his character, but for me four years after The End of Time is not enough. It would seem somewhat wrong.


Lemonhead118
Lemonhead118

Charles Dance needs to play The Master 

KingOfTheInterWebs has Kidneys
KingOfTheInterWebs has Kidneys

Hold on just had another thought. An idea I've thought of as an enemy, though I'm not sure how well it'd carry a finale, is something that plays on the fear of the unknown and things that go bump in the night and so forth. Because if played right, no matter what age you are, you would not believe how frightening that would be (Even more so after watching the episode and going to bed) having been to a sleepover and staying up all night to the point my eyes played tricks on me in the dark even more than usual I can say I was filled with terror at all the stuff I thought was in the darkness. The idea that what horrors you think you see in the darkness could be real has always been a terrifying concept to me. 

The Rani
The Rani

The Rani must come back! Well of course I think so, after all I am the Rani! ;-)

KingOfTheInterWebs has Kidneys
KingOfTheInterWebs has Kidneys

It'd be interesting to see a properly scary 'big bad' a new never before seen enemy which as opposed to just being an extremely competent, powerful and shocking enemy could also be very, very scary. I'm sure something could be found such as a sort of fear to exploit as a fuel for this fear factor of the enemy. Or just something really clever could be nice, a really mysterious and well done concept that keeps people on the edges of their seats and guessing to the end of the episode(s) would be nice.

Angie Whodini
Angie Whodini

What about a Master that's just escaped for the first time from Gallifrey? Then it turns out the Master being who he is is all part of some Doctor mistake! (sorry, I'm too tired to write more)

IceDaleks
IceDaleks

I want a new enemy from the Moff!

parrot999
parrot999

I think now that it's been established that there is a structural weakness to the universe, it would be a perfect time to reintroduce Omega. Surely he would try and exploit this weakness to return just as much as the Timelords would...

Plus, just imagine his reaction on finding out that the Timelords are stuck in an alternate dimension as well.

Antee991166
Antee991166

I actually think it would be good for the Cybermen to have finale since they've never had one all to themselves. I don't want the Daleks to be in the finale again and I'm not sure the Weeping Angels could carry it, but I'd be open to any of the Time Lords mentioned.

craig33
craig33

I seriously doubt that John Simm would come back just to do a regeneration scene. It'd be hardly worth his while. It's not something that needs to be seen anyway.

Muxerman
Muxerman

I'd like to see the Faction Paradox, from the Eighth Doctor novels and audios, make a first appearance on television!

Beasts_a_Snarling
Beasts_a_Snarling

Um..... It was actually the seventh who retrieved the Master's remains from Skaro.

camelot55555
camelot55555

i agree moffat's story arc was clever but the whole story it was leading up to(TOTD) was utter rubbish.throw it in the bin with colin baker's stoories @thelonelycenturion

arceus1296
arceus1296

@Sutekh the Destroyer  I agree I also want Sutekh to return as he would play such a good part with Peter Capaldi's new doctor. I have thought that Sutekh will return in episode 5 of series 8 which is said to be an Egyptian episode and as soon as I heard that I immediately thought it might see the return of Sutekh. Lets hope and pray we see a return of him and other old monsters and enemies.

Beasts_a_Snarling
Beasts_a_Snarling

I think we need to stop bringing back old monsters simply for nostalgia and look to the future.

Richy Woo
Richy Woo

@nelly1977  Agreed , I am a fan of Moffat , I just wish he would put all his creative energy into one project and leave the other.

JLS1138
JLS1138

@Richy Woo  That's kinda freakin briliant, Richy. Although I would love to see the juxtiposition between a crazy, young Master and a cool, older Doctor. The Rani would really make an excellent choice as well, especially for Capaldi. We could even see Kate O'Mara regenerate!

ZZBoomslang
ZZBoomslang

@Exalos  That would be great, I agree! Too bad it seems like Moffat permanently killed them off in the Name of the Doctor... I'd love to see them reappear in the upcoming Jack the Ripper episode. 

Strontium
Strontium

@craig33  Why wouldn't he? 7 came back to do a regeneration scene in the movie, and 8 came back for a minisode. Why wouldn't Simm want to come back to finish off his character properly. I'm pretty sure that he loved the person he played, and would want to respect it. Anyway, the BBC would most likely offer him some incentives.

Richy Woo
Richy Woo

The universe has cracks, somebody has to make sure they are all wiped up.

parrot999
parrot999

Remember how in Time of the Doctor, the Doctor said that when he restarted the Universe, there was a remaining structural weakness, evidenced by the remaining crack in time the Timelords were sending the message through...

If the Timelords figured out how to exploit this, I'm willing to bet Omega will soon follow...

Angie Whodini
Angie Whodini

@Huknar @parrot999  Only parallel universes that can potentially find and exploit those weaknesses. But I bet pocket universes are much nearer than parallel universes to the actual universe (because I can).


PS: don't take it seriously I don't know a thing about parallel universes. You're right though, it has a nice potential as a storyline.



Huknar
Huknar

@parrot999  Interesting. In which case, the universe is in danger of every other parallel or neighbouring universe. That could indeed be an interesting story.