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Deep Breath has just concluded in the UK. You’ve had Doctor Who TV’s verdict, but what did you think of it? There was obviously a lot of hype so did it deliver? Or were you left disappointed? And of course how did you find Peter Capaldi? Rate in our poll and feel free to discuss the episode in greater detail in the comments.

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Merganman4
Merganman4

Anybody know when the results will be up?

thosebrows
thosebrows

Probably one of my favorite openers. I enjoy how we were introduced to Capaldi's Doctor. I, personally, enjoy each new Doctors first episode, because its like we, the audience, are trying to figure him out as much as he is.

Tardis Stowaway
Tardis Stowaway

So I managed to watch the episode for the first time yesterday. Before your jaw drops too much in alarm and you reach for your pitchfork, I'd like to explain that Deep Breath aired, unfortunately for me, whilst I was on holiday abroad, and I was faced with quite a difficult choice; either wait 6 days and watch it properly on my TV when I get home, or watch it immediately on BBC iPlayer via the smaller screen of my phone and with many more distractions around me. The former seemed to be the most logical and sensible choice. (I find it a little ironic, actually, that whilst some were considering watching Deep Breath on the big screen, I was considering watching it on the little screen.) Hopefully, by now, you've lowered your pitchfork. If not, please do. :)


Plot-wise, Deep Breath may not be the very best story out there, but it was fun. It was bonkers yet dark, scary yet joyful, and most importantly, it felt like Doctor Who. The new titles are nice, but the new look can't be used within the show for vortex shots like the others could due to the unravelling clock face and so it feels a bit less related and a bit more cheesy. Whilst I prefer the previous version, I'm sure it'll grow on me. The Paternoster Gang had a few good moments, but I think they were featured a bit too much in Deep Breath and more time should have been spent on Twelve/Clara, but that's just my preference.


The idea of a dinosaur roaming the Thames was a bit too bonkers to me - there didn't seem to be much thought of an explanation as to why nobody seems to remember that and nothing like that was acknowledged in the episode - but again, it was great fun.  From a production point of view, it looked great on screen and the CGI was really quite well done - although I think it was overused a bit, such as when Strax was scanning Clara. The clockwork people and half-faced man were quite chilling and refreshingly dark. Indeed, the episode did feel at times a bit darker - and I enjoyed that. There were quite a few comedic moments too, and brilliant moments of drama, in particular that great restaurant argument. The acting was superb from all - and particularly Jenna Coleman, who portrayed a struggling, confused and (in a way) mourning Clara perfectly. Clara has some great moments this episode, such as her argument with Vastra, her standing up to the Half-Faced Man and that phone call (more on that later).


But, of course, the star of this episode was Peter Capaldi. This episode's sole purpose is none other than to introduce the new Doctor and cement him into the show. And it did that for me. Capaldi's Doctor is different to what I was expecting - dark, a bit more ruthless but still the Doctor, yes, but I was not expecting the fantastic mad eccentricity of this Doctor that could even beat Matt Smith's - one of my favourite moments was the bedroom scene where he says "Door? Boring. Not me." before opening the window, sticking his head out and going "Me!". Of course, I expect him to be a bit more serious from how on, since he's recovered from the regeneration, but bits like that and the ending 'chips and coffee' bit were great to see. It might be early to say this, but I feel Capaldi will have the potential to get very high on my list of favourite Doctor's, and he may even reach the top.... (but overtaking Tennant to take #1 will be a massive feat, in my view). That moment with him in the TARDIS, showing Clara his new costume, was when he completely became the Doctor for me,


Last thing I wanted to talk about; that cameo. Some may not have agreed with it's inclusion, but I disagree with them - I thought it was amazing. To see Matt again was great anyway, and it completely sums up his Doctor; before he went, he took time to consider what effect his new self might have on Clara, and he wanted to reassure her. It was also a brilliant final way of making the viewer, just like Clara, accept that this new man is still the Doctor. My favourite part of the episode.



A good episode, let down in a few places but brought up by some fantastic moments - 8/10

Dan Zuco
Dan Zuco

Capaldi already shines in the role. Overall, it was a very weak series opener, weak story, weak villain. Moffat redeemed himself with Name and Day of the Doctor but now we seem to be free falling downwards again. 

DoctorCapaldifan
DoctorCapaldifan

Anything in the episode with Capaldi as the doctor I really enjoy - funny, exciting and entertaining dialogue. I found the new title interesting and the theme weird, but a good addition. However, sometimes the storyline was a bit weak and flaky, like some other Moffat episodes. Overall I really enjoyed this as a new doctor who episode! 9/10



Dont be Lasagne!
Dont be Lasagne!

I personal believe that Peter will be an amazing doctor despite his age or appearance, William Hartnell was advanced in years but he was still The Doctor! Also, we are adding our own judgement of P.C. but we can't actually call him "The Doctor" until tomorrow's episode. A Doctor is never The Doctor until he's faced The Daleks! 

note4e
note4e

I didn't like it. Period. The whole gang of Madam Vastra makes me sick, they are annoying and there is way too much of them. The dialogues are predictable, the lines are old and seen before. It is like an old record playing over and over again. Same old, same old. From The Doctor perspective, being so close to them, doesn't make sense. If you had a magic box, that gives u all time and space and the Universes.... would you cling to those three? You have the infinite lives at your disposal, yet you hang around those three idiots. How stupid is that? How limited thinking and creating that is? How limited you are as a Time Lord, when your Universe  revolves around 3 sad creatures. If it was River Song, I would swallow this, but this bunch? Time to put yourselves in Doctor shoes. It is time for you to see what cheap action you are being sold. It is time for you to imagine what is outside the box. It is time for Moffat to go. It is time for you to create wonders, not "thinking inside the box" stuff.


Julian_Prime73
Julian_Prime73

I keep hearing Clara wouldn't react so distraught at the regen as she had seen all the others. Well I think she would. Everything she did in Name Of The Doctor in the time stream was to save her Eleven. At the end of Time she finally lost her Eleven and for the first time began to grieve.

Tbmferris
Tbmferris

I agree. One of the very best episodes I've ever seen. Clearly Jenna Coleman's best performance.

TardisDad
TardisDad

Well.  That was fun.  :-) Not without issue but overall  much fun.  

Capaldi looks like he's going to be great, was especially impressed toward the end as he began to stabilise and show his new self.



Only one thing I'm wondering about.. Do we assume that the Robots are using electronic means to speak?  A speaker?  And lip-syncing so they don't look out of place among human company? 

'Cos otherwise, as far as i can see, if they were using organic matter with which to talk, a voice box, mouth etc.. well, they'd need a source of air wouldn't they?  they'd need to breath in order to talk?


9101112
9101112

I'm mostly glad I got to see him in action because, due to previous interviews, it seemed like he was going to run around like a crotchety old man....hating everything and not wanting a companion....but he was really great seriously I was really impressed, and I was especially impressed at the end which really cemented him as the Doctor for me, being vulnerable and showing that he did need Clara and how lonely he really is....and MATT, I had FEELS through the end, it was my chance to say goodbye to my First and Favorite Doctor and except the new Doctor and like him...I think Peter is going to pull this together and become a favorite to a lot of us in the Fandom. I do have room for another favorite Doctor. Plus most surprisingly to me this episode has me starting to like Clara....I was not a fan gave in a bit during TDOTD and TTOTD, but now I am seeing what a lot of Clara fans have been saying...SM did good again. 

Polyphase
Polyphase

"It's covered with lines, but I didn’t do the frowning. Who frowned me this face?" And he wonders, "Why this one? Why did I chose this face? It’s like I’m trying to tell myself something. Like I’m trying to make a point. But what’s so important that I can’t just tell myself what I'm thinking?"

This has to be one of my favorite lines from Doctor Who, Absolutely wonderful :)

AnastassiaRakitianskaia
AnastassiaRakitianskaia

What I liked most about this episode is the fact that I actually FELT something while watching, instead of going "blah-blah-blah, some running around and saving the world with a generically brave female companion" thing I felt Doctor Who was for the whole of Series 7. 11th Doctor's personality somehow never worked for me, Now, 12th is something else! He is actually serious and dark. That is something I've missed ever since Russel T Davies took the 10th Doctor away from us. In this episode I felt really sad for the poor dinosaur creature. "It was scared... scared and alone, and look what they've done to it!" - reminds you of the 9th Doctor, doesn't it? In Alien Invasion, when the people thought the poor transmuted piglet was the alien who brought a spaceship into London and killed the creature when it was running away from the lab... remember that? 9 said almost exact lines, then. I also thought it was beautifully sad and grim when the Clockwork droid- supposedly - killed himself. I think Doctor Who is coming back to what it used to be; an emotional, dramatic series, with characters you'd care enough about to cry for them. That was what I've always loved about this show. Hopefully they keep it up! 






Rainbow Kidneys
Rainbow Kidneys

I just noticed something: in that scene with Clara and Half-Face man, the Doctor in behind them the whole scene. Was him holding his breath the whole time? Can the Doctor do this? I genuinely don't know. Because, if he was breathing, I suppose Half-Face man would have noticed, wouldn't him?

GRANDMARSHALL
GRANDMARSHALL

Watching Doctor who these days is sort of like A certain fanbase Watching and routing for their favoritie SPORTS TEAM TO WIN .Whether it isFootball or any other sport ,One will watch their team EVEN IF THEY ARE LOSING OR NOT PLAYING WELL. Everytime there is a Match from our favorite Sport team,we will rush to watch this sport team Play and we are hoping they will WIN THE GAME OR MATCH. After the team loses the match We critize the players,coach, owner of the team Or even the media THIS IS WHY SOME FANS STILL TUNE IN EVEN IF THEY DONT LIKE THE DIRECTION DOCTOR WHO IS GOING IN. There were parts of Deep Breath I liked and Parts I didnt like ,One thing I did Learn is that Moffet STILL WRITES LIKE HE IS A BIG KID LOCKED IN A CANDY STORE AND UNFORTUNETLY IS STILL TRYING TO BE FUNNY AND STILL TRYING TO MAKE US ALL LAUGH Everytime Peter capaldi had a scene I enjoyed the episode. ,HOWEVER Everytime the LESBIEN LIZARD POTATO KUNGFU DETECTIVES HAD A SCENE ,I DIDNT REALLY LIKE THE EPISODE ALL THAT MUCH. HOWEVER I liked Deep breath more then I disliked it ,SO I WOULD SAY MY FAVORITE SPORT TEAM THE DOCTOR WHO TEAM ,DID NOT LOSE AND THEY DID NOT WIN BUT THEY TIED THEY GAME ! Hopefully episode 2 Will not be claustrophobic and stuffy ,I have a feeling it might be as we are going to be inside a Dalek the whole episode I THINK? I' am hoping for a win but another tie will be just fine ,After all it's better than losing.

Kombat1978
Kombat1978

All in all I thought it was great. Have this feeling that Peter is going to pull it off.
More of a "Chaotic Good" feel to him. Like it.

Waiting in anticipation for the rest...............

Sharaz_Jek
Sharaz_Jek

By the way, great of DoctorWhoTV to give us a out-of-10 system - I think it allows for a much more variant result for the rating. Good idea!

ShirleyWhiteGuenther
ShirleyWhiteGuenther

The Matt Smith Cameo broke my heart............but, I think I I'm going to like Capaldi as the Doctor...Just as always, we have to get used to him...... 

lddkennedy
lddkennedy

I thought the episode was great, and Capaldi is looking fantastic, but I really think it didn't need to be as long as it was. There was a lot of filler that I think could have been left out (Strax scanning Clara's brain etc) and had it been it would have been perfect.


DavidSJH
DavidSJH

Capaldi and Coleman shined on what was a pretty weak storyline. Other down points include the new intro and theme and the terrible CGI. My favourite parts where the Alley Scene and Matt Smiths cameo.

shots1
shots1

I have rewatched it 5 times now and am enjoying it more but....I still hate the music, its like someone has popped into the front room to do a quickie on a synthesizer ! Budget tune from Argos (other retailers are available) Time was wasted on Strax giving Clara a medical, the non fight fight scene under the restaurant with the Paternoster gang, Vastra supposed to be painting Jennys portrait, 'that' sharing of air (yes, yawn they are lesbians)  for example, time that could have been spent with the Doctor. I LOVE the 'piano' moment ! well and silly bits like Clara having The Times sent up : ) Clara & the Doctor in the restaurant .....full appreciation for that and 'yessss we have a chillldrens mennnnu' . Oh and Peter being Matt-like at first 'door..boring....not me' !   One of those episodes I have thought more of on every viewing. 

But I really do hate the theme music !

BenGu
BenGu

Am I the ONLY one noticing all the Robot's in this series?? Clockwork Droids, Daleks, Robot of Sherwood, the Owl looking robot in 'The Caretaker', the Cybermen... Hmmm.. wierd..



thosebrows
thosebrows

Also, the clockwork droids needed a refresh. Beautiful!! 


note4e
note4e

@Tardis Stowaway "The Paternoster Gang had a few good moments, but I think they were featured a bit too much in Deep Breath and more time should have been spent on Twelve/Clara, but that's just my preference."Couldn't agree more. I loved previous re-appearing  companions, they were true, not forced on the audience. Most of all they felt real, not fake, and that gang, feels plastic, fake to the max for me. Just my opinion. Just my feelings. You can have different ones. Dos't dismiss mine. Thank you.






thosebrows
thosebrows

@Tardis Stowaway Hey, I waited 2 excruciatingly painful days to see it in a movie theater. Plus, I don;t own a pitchfork... :)

thosebrows
thosebrows

@note4e If you had a timey-wimey-spacey-wacey police box, wouldn't you drop in on your friends for a visit every once in a while?

AaronMcGahon1
AaronMcGahon1

@note4e You do understand the term "semi-regulars" don't you? For a while, we had Mickey, Jackie, Pete, the Jones', Wilf Mott, Sylvia Noble, Winston Churchill and long before that we had Sir Alistair Gordon Lethbridge Stewart. Just because the semi-regular character happen to be in the Victorian era doesn't make them any less like the semi-regulars before them. Now I might be wrong here, but by the way you've worded your comment, it looks like you've watched a certain CRACKED video thats been recently released and are trying to re-spew the rubbish that was said in said video. As I said you may be wrong, but you sound as incorrect as the vloggers from CRACKED.

AaronMcGahon1
AaronMcGahon1

@note4e Are you trying to sound like a revolutionary? Because it really didn't work.

Scootersfood, Secret Agent of C.L.A.R.A.
Scootersfood, Secret Agent of C.L.A.R.A.

@note4e I don't understand how there can be too much of them when they've been in very few episodes. Also, "seen before" lines are supposed to be references.... Also, I hope you're aware that the Doctor did not choose to land in Victorian London, nor are the Paternoster Gang in any way idiots (except Strax, but he's a hilarious idiot!). Vastra is extremely clever, and Jenny has already proven herself very useful. Moffat isn't going anyway, so stop whining about it. His era has proved to make the show much popular than it was before, so I would just stop there If I were you. Thanks! :)

Polyphase
Polyphase

@9101112 I remember feeling the same way when my favorite Doctor left but it didn't take long for me to move on and accept the newer Doctors one and all. Also the same as you regarding Clara, I feel I know her a bit better and understand her idiosyncrasies :)

sontaran17
sontaran17

@Rainbow Kidneys Not really, considering Clara was already breathing - he was being masked in more way then one XD

GRANDMARSHALL
GRANDMARSHALL

I think your right! Steve moffet being the showrunner is Obviously in charge and no one can tell him NO !His early writings like "The Empty Child" ,"The Doctor Dances" "Silence in the Library" and you knowall the episodes he wrote for Russel T davies and Julie Gardiner when they were the showrunners, Were VERY GOOD BECAUSE RUSSEL AND JULIE WOULD EDIT HIS WRITINGS. THEY WOULD SAY, NO STEVEN That Scene cant be done as it will cost too much! Or that scene with the humour has to be cut out as we dont have the time to INCLUDE IT !NO STEVEN WE CANT PAY FOR A HELICOPTER TO BRING THE DOCTOR TO THE ART GALLERY WE CAN JUST HAVE HIM MATERIELIZE THERE AS WE ARE ON A BUDGET, THE EDITING ONCE AGAIn SUFFERS UNDER SHOWRUNNER STEVE MOFFET, ( (When he has to have A huge Dinosaur at the opening of an episode ( which by the way was strangely too big being almost the same height as BIG BEN,) When he wastes the budget on things that are not a necessity OTHER PARTsOF OTHER STORIES WILL SUFFER For example he will now have to take money from some other part of Doctor whos Budget ,like the music! (Sorry for the long reply) cheers!

ExplosiveCookie
ExplosiveCookie

@BenGu  Well Daleks technically aren't robots, neither are Cybermen. They both have something living or organic in them. But I see where you're coming from.

TheFirstMaster
TheFirstMaster

@BenGu Cybermen and Daleks are not robots, but more of a living creature inside a metal suit. For the sake of the conversations, let's call them 'mechs'

note4e
note4e

@AaronMcGahon1 @note4e OMG man you carry so much anger around that it would probably kill you one day.  Are u a Dalek by any chance?

note4e
note4e

@Scootersfood @note4e Honey, you have your opinion and take on things, I have mine. What is it for you, is not necessarily the same for me. Can you respect that? Not everyone will agree with your opinion, or for the matter of fact, with mine Same as with the likes and dislikes of food or cloths. So, for God sake, lets agree to disagree. I didn't like it. It was predictable, and using the old tricks. In my opinion the show need some new blood. Period.


EyebrowsAttack
EyebrowsAttack

@Polyphase @9101112 

Showing my age but in some ways I never recovered from when my favourite doctor left..over 30 years ago when Tom Baker took a fall.  Poor old Peter Davison never got a fair go from me and nor did anyone who followed him until finally after a couple of decades I was over my grief and good old Chris Ecclestone won me over good and proper.  I was then disappointed when he left so soon but my past experience with grief stood me in good stead and I came to love David and Matt just fine...though secretly a little underwhelmed and some real excitement has returned with Peter.

Polyphase
Polyphase

@capaldi3699 And I thought it was a good scene. It's filler like this that Makes the show something special in my opinion :)

Doctor What
Doctor What

@note4e @AaronMcGahon1 After your initial comment, you DARE to say to anyone that he has anger? And by the way, people like you can't generate anger in us, just a big smile.

Doctor What
Doctor What

@note4e @Scootersfood Saying "Period." means that what you say is not your opinion, but a fact. Stating your opinion that Moffat should go (which is not going to happen, he is the showrunner, whether you like it or not) as a fact, it's you who are disrespectful to the rest of the community. Period.

Dont be Lasagne!
Dont be Lasagne!

@Polyphase @capaldi3699  yes, I agree, to pay so much attention to just filling in parts of the show really highlights how dedicated the cast and crew are to Doctor Who.