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New Who: Doctor Debut Episodes

Guest contributor Chris Taylor looks over the debut episodes of each Doctor from the revival so far.

Doctor Who returns to our screens in a week’s time, with Peter Capaldi’s first, full-length episode as the Twelfth Doctor. As this episode marks the beginning of a new era of Doctor Who, I thought this would be an appropriate opportunity to look back in time, and give my thoughts on the past debut (first full-length) episodes of the first three new Who Doctors, as well as my predictions on what to expect in the Twelfth Doctor’s debut episode – Deep Breath.

Rose

autons-roseThis episode, in my opinion, is the most important in New Who history, for the simple fact that it’s the very first. This episode was responsible for re-introducing fans of the classic series to Doctor Who, but more importantly introducing the show to a whole new generation of viewers, that had never heard of or seen Doctor Who before.

Whilst the episode marks the debut of Christopher Eccleston as the Ninth Doctor, its primary focus is on Rose Tyler – introducing her to both the Doctor and us the viewers. I believe that having Rose as the central character of the episode (after all, the episode is named after her) was a brilliant idea by episode writer, and then showrunner, Russell T Davies. The primary function of the companion is to ask questions – to be the voice of the viewer. Whilst Rose investigates and learns about the Doctor we do so as well – we are taken on as much of a journey as Rose is. I believe that this adds a personal level to the episode and makes us feel a part of it.

Something I admire about Rose is that whilst promoting a very new, 21st century Doctor Who, it harks back to a much earlier era by having the Autons and the Nestene Consciousness as the first monsters of new Who. What’s notable about the Autons and Nestene Consciousness is that they first appeared in the Third Doctor’s debut story Spearhead from Space. So whilst the majority of viewers had no idea of the significance of both monsters (the Autons are only mentioned by name in the credits), classic series viewers could enjoy seeing two of the most well known monsters in Doctor Who history brought back for a brand new era. As such, Rose caters well for new and classic fans.

Rose is one of only a handful of episodes which the viewers don’t need to have seen any of the episodes before it to know what’s going on. I believe that this was necessary. Although it’s a continuing story, Rose is very much The Unearthly Child of the 21st century – for many it was their first Doctor Who episode; their starting point. Rose, although technically it is, could have been known as season 27, episode 1 but instead it’s series 1, episode 1. Something I admire about Rose is that it’s promoted as being the start of something very new, whilst also being identifiable as something that had already been going for 41 years and 4 months.

The Christmas Invasion

tennant-doctor-rose-christmas-invasionEssentially The Power of the Daleks of the 21st century. The Christmas Invasion is noted for two things: 1) It’s the first post-regeneration episode of new Who. 2) It’s the first ever Christmas special in the whole of the show’s history. This episode, in my opinion, is the second most important in new Who history – having successfully introduced Doctor Who to a 21st century audience, the Doctor Who team were tasked with introducing a new lead actor, after only having had Christopher Eccleston in the role, on-screen, for just under three months.

Like Rose, this episode was primarily companion-orientated. I believe that this was a good decision by Russell T Davies as it offers a break from the regular “formula” – there is something of a role reversal, with Rose taking a leadership role and caring for the Doctor as he recovers from regenerating. The exploration of post-physical-appearance-regeneration and the effect it has on the Tenth Doctor is a crucial plot device, which allows for this role reversal. It also creates a heightened sense of danger which put me on the edge of my seat when first viewing the episode. It also sets up the Tenth Doctor’s grand entrance, which brings me to my next point:

Although being David Tennant’s debut episode, he had a lot less screen time compared to his usual amount. The lack of it for the majority of the episode does well in hooking the audience for when he does make his entrance. I think that Russell T Davies’ writing is excellent, as the Tenth Doctor’s scenes, from his entrance on the Sycorax spaceship onwards, are fundamentally him analysing himself. As he is, so are we – trying to get an idea of what this new incarnation will be like; this adds, as I mentioned with Rose, a personal level to the episode.

The Eleventh Hour

Doctor-Who-The-Eleventh-Hour (15)After Rose and The Christmas Invasion this episode, in my opinion, is the third most important in new Who history. The Eleventh Hour is notable because, as well as obviously introducing a new incarnation of the Doctor, it was the debut episode of the first major overhaul since Doctor Who returned back in 2005. Not a single thing on-screen, from the end of The Eleventh Hour onwards, remained the same. As such, this episode is more relatable to Rose, in that whilst it’s introducing a new incarnation of the Doctor, it’s also introducing, although fundamentally the same, a very new Doctor Who.

This is my favourite Doctor debut episode of new Who, and one of my favourite Eleventh Doctor stories. Why? It’s hard to explain. Essentially, the story is the same – the to-be-companion meets and learns about the Doctor, before deciding to travel with him; this relates to Rose in The Christmas Invasion as well, as she has to get used to a new incarnation and decide whether she wants to travel with him or not. Perhaps I just prefer Moffat’s writing to Davies’, but The Eleventh Hour, for me, is a much faster passed, adrenaline-rush of an episode.

In 65 minutes of storytelling, we’re introduced to Amy Pond. Unlike Rose’s introduction, we get to see Amy at different stages in her life, including as a child. I prefer Amy’s introduction compared to Rose’s because of this reason. I believe it gives The Eleventh Hour the emotional edge as there is a stronger, and for Amy much longer, connection between the Doctor and Amy. Amy’s introduction is one of my favourites of any companion; Moffat’s writing is genius in creating a three-dimensional character that in such a short space of time we feel, well at least I did, totally emotionally invested in.

The Eleventh Hour introduces and focuses heavily on the story arc of the series – the crack in the universe. I admire this episode because it feels like an integral part of series, rather than having the feel of a stand-alone adventure, with the sole purpose of introducing a new incarnation of the Doctor. The Christmas Invasion also focuses on story arc – setting up the story arc for series 2 – Torchwood. Rose however feels much more like a stand-alone episode.

Deep Breath

deep-breath-capaldi-coleman-resturantThis episode, as you’ve probably guessed by now, in my opinion, is the fourth most important in new Who history. I believe that this episode will be most relatable to The Christmas Invasion, as the companion will remain the same. Also, Deep Breath will feature recurring characters Vastra, Jenny and Strax – relatable to The Christmas Invasion as other recurring characters also featured: Jackie Tyler and Mickey Smith. Also, it appears from the recent episode trailer that the Twelfth Doctor will be wearing a nightgown – the Tenth Doctor in Howard’s dressing gown (complete with apple) anyone?

I believe that like all the previous new Who Doctor debut episodes, but more specifically The Christmas Invasion, Deep Breath will be companion-orientated and focus primarily on Clara and how she adjusts and deals with a new incarnation of the Doctor. However, unlike The Christmas Invasion and more like The Eleventh Hour I believe Deep Breath will be much more of an adrenaline-rush – there’s a T-Rex stomping around Victorian London; could there be anything more adrenaline-packed? This brings me nicely onto my next point:

The setting. The three previous new Who Doctor debut episodes have all been set in contemporary times. This is the first to be set in a completely new time period – Victorian England. As such, I believe that this will give Deep Breath a completely different tone and feel to its new Who Doctor debut episode predecessors.

Whilst the episode will have its fundamental job of introducing us to the Twelfth Doctor, I believe Deep Breath will be an original, high-stakes episode. With it being feature-length, I believe that it will serve as one of the grandest introductions of a new incarnation of the Doctor in the whole of Doctor Who history.

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The G Unitt - It's my initial, I'm not a rap fan
The G Unitt - It's my initial, I'm not a rap fan

One major problem I have with The Christmas Invasion is the sort of broken promise it introduced. "No second chances. I'm that sort of a man." I thought - whoa! We're gonna get a serious Doctor, with some properly interesting moral choices! And then they sort of forgot all that and turned him a bit mopey, and high & mighty. Interesting that he straight up kills a guy in that episode, and then 2 series later is ranting on about how he "never would". I love the 10th Doctor, but I feel they missed out there. Lot of conflicting messages in Tennant's era.


Arkleseizure
Arkleseizure

Okay, I don't like doing marks out of ten, so I'll just go for a hit-miss-maybe system instead:

An Unearthly Child (but not 100,000 BC) : introduces the new show superbly, with two very human teachers investigating the strange new girl at their school, and finding her even stranger grandfather. Very much a hit. (Would be a maybe if I included the Stone Age episodes, which are just dull. They are a miss in themselves).

The Power of the Daleks: This story gave Doctor Who its longevity, the mysterious stranger who called himself Doctor slowly showing himself to be the same man at heart and showing that the lead actor could successfully be replaced. Polly and Ben share the viewer's uncertainty in what is also a thrilling story in its own right. Big hit, and how I wish it still existed. No other Loose Cannon reconstruction gripped me like this did.

Spearhead from Space: This one arguably had a bigger overhaul to deal with than even the Eleventh Hour. The Autons are a superb creation, and they get a fine story going alongside the mysterious alien in the hospital. Like his predecessors, Pertwee hits the ground running. Perhaps not quite as big a hit as the previous new Doctor stories, but a hit all the same.

Robot: This is an odd one, as it feels like the definitive Third Doctor story, but with the Fourth Doctor in it. That is its main strength: Tom Baker gets to showcase his talents by being the spanner in the works. Its main weakness is the actual story: it's just not all that good. There's a lot to like here, but it's a maybe.

Castrovalva: The idea of a debut story being the conclusion to a trilogy was a good way of making the transition. Davison isn't quite at his best here, but is certainly good enough. Unfortunately, the story itself is a two-parter with a two-episode prologue to sit through first. This is another maybe.

The Twin Dilemma: Oh dear. Making the new Doctor unlikable was not a good idea, and Colin Baker overplays all the script's faults. The story has nowhere near enough plot for four episodes, and gets the Sixth Doctor's era off to a truly dreadful start. Quite possibly the biggest miss in all of Doctor Who...

Time and the Rani: ... although this runs it close. A daft story with guest characters it's impossible to care about. The prat-falling clown we get here has not a trace of the fascinating character McCoy would later turn his doctor into. Miss.

The telemovie: Paul McGann gets his Doctor off to a fine start in a well-designed movie. Unfortunately, the plot ultimately makes no sense. There's just about enough to like here to call it a maybe, but it's no wonder the first revival was stillborn.

Rose: This is why the second revival was a triumph. It gets the important stuff right: as with 1963, it's told from the point of view of a human who meets a mysterious alien. It's not perfect: the Autons could have been better used, and the mistreatment of Mickey by the girl we're expected to root for starts here. Nonetheless, it gets the important stuff right. Hit.

The Christmas Invasion: It wasn't such a bad idea to keep the Doctor sidelined while characters we knew dealt with an alien invasion, and it makes Tennant's late arrival all the more spectacular. It's been long established that the Doctor is a fine swordsman, so I've no objections there. Another hit.

The Eleventh Hour: And the third debut since the revival is another hit. Smith owns the screen right from the start, throughout his hilarious encounter with young Amelia. This carries on with the older Amy and Rory, as an enjoyable story carries us along. Great stuff.

So, six hits, three maybes and two misses. Notably, the new series has so far followed the record of the classic, with three hits. I only hope Deep Breath bucks the trend by being another hit, unlike Robot.

DavidSJH
DavidSJH

Although David Tennant wasn't my favourite Doctor his debut was by far the best!

Doctor What and Where
Doctor What and Where

Rose - 9/10

The perfect opening episode for the relaunched Doctor Who. Perfect introduction to the Ninth Doctor. Just about a perfect story, if only the Mickey bits didn't have him so silly. But still, great start!


Christmas Invasion - 6/10

After the excitement of the Bad Wolf two-parter, this is quite boring. Its at least 20 minutes too long, and the Tenth Doctor doesn't have much to do. Its Castrovalva all over again - but at least the villains' scheme makes sense here, so thats something.


Eleventh Hour - 10/10

Just brilliant. Eleven marches in with a bang. Absolutely nothing wrong with this story - could watch it for hours on and on.

TheCosmicHobo2
TheCosmicHobo2

How I rank each Doctors debut:

An Unearthly Child - 7/10

Power of the Daleks - 8/10

Spearhead from Space - 10/10 

Robot - 7/10

Castrovalva - 7/10

The Twin Dilemma - 4/10

Time and the Rani - 5/10

The TV Movie - 6/10

Rose - 7/10

The Christmas Invasion - 9/10

The Eleventh Hour - 10/10

WhoLocked
WhoLocked

I really enjoyed this article.

Rose 7/10 - Sorry folks but I can't stand Rose and the more I watch this episode, the more I dislike her.  Billie Piper, excellent actor, but I don't think she got to shine in Doctor Who until she played the Moment in the 50th anniversary special.  Don't get me started on Mickey and how Rose treated him ... grrr.  

I'm a huge fan of RTD, but find that there is a marked difference in writing quality for leading characters (as played in various shows by Chris, David and John Barrowman), and supporting characters, namely Martha, Mickey and Rose. At the risk of being controversial, there are criticisms against Steven Moffat for being sexist, which could be argued, but the evidence seems more clear against RTD.  Yes RTD introduced more female and non-white characters during his era, but most have stereotypical characteristics, which for me tainted his tenure, and it all started with this episode.


Christmas Invasion 9/10 - I LOVE, LOVE David Tennant, and for once I correctly predicted that he would be regarded as one of the best Doctors of all time.  Having seen him in Casanova, David for me was the only choice to follow Chris. So what did the writers do? Made him sleep for 75% of the episode.  Ok it was a good story, but, if you're going to go to all the trouble of getting a new Doctor, don't let him sleep for most of it.  Thankfully because David is such a class act, he managed to turn a episode from a 6/10 into a 9/10, simply by waking up. We had the Rose-centred story before, why another one? I want to hear about the new Doctor, from the new Doctor.


I think David wore more clothes in his opening episode of Doctor Who than in the entire series of Casanova, yet spent the same amount of time in bed! Casanova was obviously good prep.

11th Hour 11/10 - This opener for me was beyond perfect. The acting, the plot, the scenery, the location, the cast, the script, the wardrobe, the cameos, (I mean come on Annette Crosbie and Patrick Moore ...  how cool were they!!!) - everything was simply brilliant. It was funny, serious, dark, light, different, the same - the right balance of all the elements that makes Doctor Who such a great show. It also happily for me shut a lot of critics up about Matt Smith before the opening credits had aired. Not bad for a youngster with the face of a 12 year old. Glad Matt proved that an actors age should be irrelevant to the role of the Doctor. 


Deep Breath I will try to reserve judgment on Peter's opener, I know he's a fantastic actor and believe that he will do an excellent job as the Doctor. I can't see Deep Breath beating 11th hour, but I am very excited to see after all the positive hype, how it all unfolds.  







MrJimiTheFish
MrJimiTheFish

A brilliant article, Mr Taylor! And very well written!

Unibot
Unibot

The introduction to Rose is perfect and RTD did a fantastic job relaunching the show with the episode, except the Autons with a bit too much cheese, I think. 


The Eleventh Hour is my favourite Regeneration Story - it had me sold at Fishfingers and Custard. The Christmas Invasion was not a very effective Regeneration Story, I found. I don't like that The Doctor was out of action for most of the episode - which is where it differs from Power of the Daleks. I suspect actually with Capaldi being a bit wacky apparently in his first story, Deep Breath will take more of the Power of the Daleks route, whereas I felt like The Eleventh Hour was more Spearhead to Space for a new generation. 





TheImprobableBoy
TheImprobableBoy

Rose: 8/10                                                                                                                                                                  Christmas Invasion: 7/10                                                                                                                                         The Eleventh Hour: 10/10


CGT
CGT

Thank you all for your comments! 


As I stated in the article: my favourite new Who post-regeneration episode is The Eleventh Hour. For me it stands out by a mile. I'm not sure whether that's because of all the changes that came with it, but something I am sure of is that there is something magical about it - an aspect, not easily identified, that gives it that fairytale feel - something that I never really felt with RTD's era. 

My scores: 

Rose: 8/10 

The Christmas Invasion: 8/10 

The Eleventh Hour: 9.5/10 

- Chris

Zakk Williams
Zakk Williams

I really liked this reading. Made me want to watch all these episodes XD


My scores:


1.Rose 3/10  (To me this is one of the worst episodes, sorry)

2.The Christmas Invasion 8/10

3.The Eleventh Hour 9/10 







drjakeyoung
drjakeyoung

christmas invasion isn't the first, its the second beten by the feast of steven


 Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A.
Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A.

If I had to pick, I'd say the eleventh hour was the best. Moffat and Matt had a lot to prove with this fantastic series opener and I think they managed to silence most of their critics and proove that the show could continue on without RTD or DT. I usually recommend new fans start with this episode as I feel this one is one of the best episodes ever produced. Moffat should be fine with deep breath as long as he doesn't try too hard to top this masterpiece of a story.

TheNightmareChild just got fitted for a loincloth
TheNightmareChild just got fitted for a loincloth

I believe that all of the recent Doctor introduction episodes did exactly what they needed to do at the time of their release.  "Rose" is the simplest of them, but it's just weird and interesting enough to entice people without throwing too much of the Whoniverse at them at one time which, with the inclusion of the Next Time screen, made for a feeling that absolutely anything could happen.  "The Christmas Invasion" obviously saw the new Doctor sidelined for a large chunk of the story which in the face of the invading Sycorax created a real sense of peril and uncertainty; a feeling that was quickly dashed away when Ten finally did awake and resolve everything in his charming, fast talking, Estuary-accented way.  It was saying "Yeah, there's this new guy here, and he is quite different from the last guy.  But don't worry viewers.  You are in good hands."  Finally, "The Eleventh Hour" was as much the beginning of a new era as "Deep Breath" purports to be, what with the major change-up that occurred behind the scenes.  In this episode, it was important for Steven Moffat to establish his reign and let the audience know right off the bat what they can expect from him.  And he did so, with panache.  But it's interesting to note that, while this script is unmistakably Moffat, it definitely feels the most RTD-ish of anything he's ever written.  And that's important, because it smoothed the transition quite nicely.  It didn't feel completely alienating to long time viewers, and from that point forward, Moffat would be free to go in all the directions he wished with full trust from the audience.  

In short, every new Who doctor debut has been spectacular, and there isn't one that doesn't accomplish everything it set out to with style and prowess.

Deus_Ex_Machina
Deus_Ex_Machina

Personally I've never found any of the new Who post-regeneration episodes to be that spectacular. I mean, they've all been okay, but none of them have been brilliant. It can be done though, look at "Spearhead from Space". It was a post-regeneration story and a thoroughly brilliant piece of fiction. Why can't we get that I'm new Who? Hopefully "Deep Breath" won't let me down.

Venawesomeo
Venawesomeo

Rose: 8/10 - Can't fault it. Brilliantly devised, well written. Only problem for me was a bit of hammy acting in parts and Mickey. Bloody Mickey...

The Christmas Invasion: 7/10 Only really enjoyed the last fifteen minutes of this. Some of the writing was poor (or poorly directed... not sure which). Tennant just owned it, though. That Lion King part is one of my favourite scenes of anything ever.  

Eleventh Hour: 9/10 - one of my favourites. Great story, tremendously fun plus it was the first episode since the Revival to truly have a professional feel about it. The directing was great and so different from before - it just looked so much better. And that rooftop scene was the definition of "epic". 



MrRazza is wittily changing his name for each week
MrRazza is wittily changing his name for each week

I have high hopes for Deep Breath. We have a lot of time in it, meaning not only can we establish the Doctor and any possible new overall tone or direction, but can also fit in some action and really see the Doctor and Clara's new dynamic put to good use. No new Doctor episodes are stand outs for me, primarily because they focus (rightly) on their main job, but Deep Breath has the potential to do much!

stargazer0118
stargazer0118

My scores:  



 

Rose - 8.5. Solid episode, and both Billie and Eccleston are likable, but plastic Mickey was dumb.  


The Christmas Invasion - 9.5. Highly enjoyable. David Tennant immediately makes the role his own in just 15 or so minutes.  Only downside is some of the FX are quite dated, but I don't care much because I don't watch DW for the special effects.  


The Eleventh Hour - 8.5. Solid and enjoyable, but the ending seems like a redo of the Christmas Invasion to me. I don't find it as brilliant as others. 

OncomingStorm in a Browncoat with a stake
OncomingStorm in a Browncoat with a stake




Great article. And since the recent "Story Thus Far" article, I'm in a scoring mood...

Rose 9/10 (did exactly what it needed to. Love it.)

The Christmas Invasion 10/10 (just genius, imo.) 

The Eleventh Hour 9.5/10 (my second favourite episode of the whole Matt era, to The Doctor's Wife.)







Polyphase
Polyphase

@G_Unitt Not to mention that sword fight was cringeworthy, Poor skinny David trying to wield a broadsword without falling over :)

stargazer0118
stargazer0118

@G_Unitt Maybe that's because each circumstance was different, plus the Tenth Doctor had gone through some intense trials and tribulations that affected him deeply. Like a realistic character, he had his doubts and challenges, and that made him really interesting and compelling for many people. He was a character that always kept evolving until the very end, and I think it's one of the main reasons why he is so popular. That and Tennant totally sold it.



Alleigh
Alleigh

Rose often is written as a very selfish person, the way she treats Mickey and her mother is disgusting. I get she is a young woman in love, but far too often they have her acting like she couldn't care less if Mickey or Jackie just up and died as long as she can still go on being the "important" person in the world with "her" Doctor. I think I could have liked her as a character if she wasn't written in a manner that makes you cringe, her whining in Journey's End about "I was here first" is laughable since Sarah Jane was present

@WhoLocked 

CGT
CGT

@Zakk Williams Thank you for your comment! 

How come you rate Rose so low? 

- Chris


CGT
CGT

@ Notsosmartguy the dalek of Jersey Thanks for your comment!

As well as being one one of the best episodes of new Who, The Eleventh Hour is a good place for new fans to start because it's the beginning of a completely new era. This is one of the reasons The Eleventh Hour stands out to me so much; a point where it feels like the show reinvented itself. RTD's and Moffat's eras are, for me, completely distinguishable from each other, yet clear that they're a part of the same show.

- Chris

stargazer0118
stargazer0118

@Deus_Ex_Machina I didn't think Spearhead From Space was amazing, though. It was good, but some parts dragged for me like much of classic who.

MrRazza is wittily changing his name for each week
MrRazza is wittily changing his name for each week

And, as we're doing scores again (yay, rankings! So long without doing any, and three have come along in quick succession!) - of the ones I've seen so far:

An Unearthly Child - 9/10 - here I've been a bit cheeky and only considered the first episode, personally I don't feel the remainder of the serial really does it quite the same level of justice (though I also greatly enjoy them) and it works perfectly as a standalone in any case. 

Spearhead from Space - 8/10 - I just love Pertwee's Doctor, and we see some of his comedy acting really come through brilliantly here. A good story, the pacing sometimes slows a little but I enjoy it.

Doctor Who - 6/10 - Essentially I would have to review a movie here - but my view is similar to many put forwards before on this site.

Rose - 8/10 - An episode with a very serious and important job description, and it pulls it off well. But in the general perception of how it is overall, it's not really a masterpiece, and could have done with an hour.


The Christmas Invasion - 9/10 - Tennant dominates despite spending a considerable period of the episode in bed with his eyes shut, the sense of peril is well done and a balance of setup and action is well found.

The Eleventh Hour - 7/10 - Good, intriguing start, slows a little in the middle and finishes well, if a little too exaggerated a setup for the Doctor - I'm not such a fan of the rooftop moment as others are.





RennocNosliw
RennocNosliw

For each debut episode, I would say

An Unearthly Child 5/10

Power of the Daleks 8/10

Spearhead From Space 7/10

Robot 8.5/10

Castrovalva 10/10

The Twin Dilemma 7/10

Time and the Rani 6.5/10

The TV Movie 9/10

Rose 8.5/10

The Christmas Invasion 8/10

The Eleventh Hour 10/10

Liana21
Liana21

My problem with The Christmas Invasion is that, eah, David gets the vibe in 15 minutes, but he's only conscious those 15 minutes, Matt gets the vibe in 15 minutes meanwhile he's on action, and I prefer that to the sleepy David in Christmas.

OncomingStorm in a Browncoat with a stake
OncomingStorm in a Browncoat with a stake

Also, can't wait for Deep Breath, but I'm in Spain when it airs! (I think I've said this on several occasions in several different discussions but it doesn't make it any less annoying.) I do, however, get to watch two Doctor Whos in a row the day after I get back! Yay!

awkward912
awkward912

@stargazer0118 @G_Unitt  Evolving? No, sorry. David's Doctor was the master of the ping-back. Even at the start of The End of Time, he pretty much reverted to type following his Time Lord Victorious explosion.

Arkleseizure
Arkleseizure

I pressed return twice. Probably something to do with my ipad that made it work.

Clara Bosswald is the Chosen One.
Clara Bosswald is the Chosen One.

@TheNightmareChild sees into your soul! @WhoLocked I disagree with his assumption that RTD's era was sexist. Overall I feel like he did a good job. But he is right in saying a lot of his female characters were stereotypical. In particular the mothers. They're all a bit hysterical, not very smart, none of them want her daughter to follow her dreams, "you have to stay at home, with me" seems to be the norm. Rose is also very stereotypical. There isn't a single guy she meets she doesn't have a crush for : Mickey, Adam, Jack, Nine, Ten, Human Ten... 

Zakk Williams
Zakk Williams

@CGT You're welcome! I just think it does very poor in introducing new people to the show. Practically everyone I know struggled to keep on watching the series because of this episode.  Many people adore it and I think it's because it's the first episode of the revival and nostalgia is very powerful indeed. 

Personally, I don't find very realistic the way Rose acts in this episode, at all. When Mickey supposedly dies, she doesn't shed a single tear and doesn't seem that sad actually (that put me off entirely), and at the end she goes with the Doctor very easily in my opinion. Then the resolution was way too simple, a simple 'potion' that came out of nowhere. And plastic Mickey was way too much, you can't take it seriously. 

I do like the way the Doctor is portrayed though, appearing through history in photos and all that; but that's it. 







stargazer0118
stargazer0118

@Liana21 Sometimes less is better, like in The Christmas Invasion. The moment the Doctor appears, when everything seemed lost, it's pure TV magic. Besides, Rose and Harriet Jones carry the episode perfectly.

Liana21
Liana21

@TheOncomingStorm There are cinemas on Spain that are going to screening it, look around for a Cinesa cinema.

stargazer0118
stargazer0118

@ Notsosmartguy the dalek of Jersey @stargazer0118 @G_Unitt I disagree completely. Eleven didn't change much throughout, he was basically still the same happy man he always was. I never felt the Ponds and River (whatever happned to her not sure) affected him that much. He didn't seem to experience the highs and lows that Ten did. Even 9 in his short season experienced more than him, IMO. To each their own.

stargazer0118
stargazer0118

@awkward912 @stargazer0118 @G_Unitt Yes evolving because the things that happened to him truly affected his character, all that loss and pain he experienced came to a head in The Waters of Mars when he snapped. He then went running away from his death after, but since he is the Doctor, of course he had to save his dear friend, but we still saw a bit of the Time Lord Victorious with his 'it's not fair' scene. If that's not  compelling  character development I don't know what is. Ten ended up a much different person than he started, he was completely broken and it's why he needed to regenerate. 

TheNightmareChild just got fitted for a loincloth
TheNightmareChild just got fitted for a loincloth

@SephoraNeedSeries8 @TheNightmareChild sees into your soul! @WhoLocked The only two of the moms that I remember being "you have to stay at home" as you say were Jackie and Francine, but Jackie eventually warmed to the idea.  It was mostly Martha's mom who was hysterical.  Sylvia didn't even seem to know what she was up to to begin with and even when she had a fuller (albeit still incomplete) idea, she didn't seem too bothered by it.  Rose having a crush on every male she meets might be a smidge stereotypical, but it didn't bother me too much how it was portrayed in the show.  They didn't go overboard with it.

TheNightmareChild just got fitted for a loincloth
TheNightmareChild just got fitted for a loincloth

@SephoraNeedSeries8 @WhoLocked  For that matter, I don't view flirtiness in a character as inherently problematic anyway as long as that's not their sole defining characteristic.  It wasn't for Rose, and it also wasn't for Captain Jack, one of the most beloved characters in the Whoniverse who also happens to be its biggest flirt.