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Moffat Would Do ‘Wholock’

sherlock-capaldiSteven Moffat has said he would be interested in a Doctor Who and Sherlock crossover, but the rest of the Sherlock team are the ones being ‘killjoys.’

Speaking at the Deep Breath launch Q&A he said: “Look I’m going to come clean on this: I would [do a Doctor Who/Sherlock crossover]. Go speak to Cumberbatch, Freeman, Gatiss and Vertue, OK? They’re all in the way. I’m not the killjoy, it’s that lot. It’s probably not going to happen.

“What a bunch of killjoys I work with.”

However he adds: “You know in some ways, I think Mark’s got a point when he says that however good you imagine it, it would be almost better in your imagination than it would be if the two grand old egotists actually met. They’d just both go off in opposite corners and sulk that there was someone cleverer than them.”

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Polyphase
Polyphase

Yes, It doesn't take a genius to know it wouldn't work. Glad the others are doing the right thing :)

Fishteroid
Fishteroid

God it must be so frustrating. He's asked this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over by clueless press. It's a terrible idea. It makes no sense. 

JLS1138
JLS1138

....everyone knows Moffat is just messing around, right? 

The Whoniversal Man
The Whoniversal Man

If they want to keep such a project low-risk and unobtrusive for both shows, I suggest they simply create a non-canon mini-episode. Problem solved?

TheIdleIdol
TheIdleIdol

I simply don't understand the appeal of "Wholock". It makes about as much sense to me as an episode where The Doctor finds out he's the third Mitchell brother and moves into the Queen Vic, or inexplicably turns up on Sun, Sex and Suspicious Parents to get lairy in Magaluf whilst Clara looks disappointed in him. They're two completely, wholly independent franchises with their own complex, internal Universes that render them effectively mutually exclusive. Any attempt to roll them into one would just be embarrassing and an insult to both shows. Thank Rassilon for all those "killjoys" (sane people with too much love and respect for both shows) who are reigning him in; my faith in Moffat has taken another huge hit just by virtue of his willingness to do this. Now excuse me whilst I go watch the episode of Breaking Bad where the zombies from The Walking Dead turn up and are only defeated by an alliance of Dora the Explorer, He-Man and the entire cast of Glee. 


Timhogan
Timhogan

Well I know they used the reason of Sherlock being a fictional character in the Doctor Who world like he is in ours, but I always thought it'd be pretty interesting if instead of him going back and Cumberbatch playing Sherlock Holmes, he played a young Arthur Conan Doyle.  He'd just have to grow a mustache!  Though one of my favorite parts of the Snowmen episode was when the Doctor did his little Sherlock bit and they used the music and everything.  But yeah I feel like a full blown real crossover as much as I like both shows would not really work well for either.  I mean Sherlock is based on a very realistic world, can't really have a TARDIS showing up wouldn't be very logical.  And as stated before in the Doctor's world Sherlock's just a character from a book so it'd be weird if he's suddenly walking around.

LaraHarris
LaraHarris

I think that would be interesting. He has already in books I think and the 6th Doctor met HG Wells.

TheBeast101
TheBeast101

I disagree with the point about it being better in your imagination, to me The Day of the Doctor far exceeded my expectations of a NewWho multiple Doctor story

Mercy Reborn2
Mercy Reborn2

i think Mr Conan Doyle would be fascinating to meet

RyanFee
RyanFee

Well, there is a sherlock Christmas special in 2015, and presumably doctor who also, making it the perfect time for a crossover...

PhotonFromOz
PhotonFromOz

It would make more sense if The Doctor met Arthur Conan Doyle the author of Sherlock Holmes.

After all the 10th Doctor and Donna helped Agatha Christie in The Unicorn and the Wasp.

MaraBackman
MaraBackman

Being a much bigger fan of old-school versions of Sherlock Holmes, I'd want to see a crossover between Doctor Who and the Sherlock played by Jeremy Brett, even though sadly it is impossible.

Doctor2112
Doctor2112

This is my first comment on this site and I agree with most of you, I hate the idea of this crossover other than a Children in Need or Comic Relief. I feel the same with the whole "SuperWhoLock" thing. I get the connection of Doctor Who and Sherlock since Moffat is involved in both shows, but don't get the connection of Supernatural with any of the shows other than Mark Sheppard is in both Supernatural and Doctor Who but not in Sherlock.



Blake Jamieson
Blake Jamieson

okay, what we have to do is kidnap everyone from the Sherlock team and keep them in a cellar, then we find believable replacements for all the cast needed for the cross-over and BOOM, we have a cracking episode of WHOLOCK  ;)

LoneRangerNinjutsu
LoneRangerNinjutsu

Why not just another historical episode, with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle? 

LoneRangerNinjutsu
LoneRangerNinjutsu

But wait... Didn't The Doctor don the alias of Sherlock Holmes in "The Snowmen," pretty much confirming that he's a fictional character in the world of Doctor Who?

Christoph1337
Christoph1337

I don't want something like a full episode, since it could never live up to the fan expectations, but a 15-minute charity special would be amazing. 

ilyootha
ilyootha

"I remember Sherlock Holmes expressing similar sentiments."

"Yeah?" Ace was interested. "Did you meet him? Oh, right, he wasn't real,was he?"


"Just because somebody isn't real, it doesn't mean you can't meet them," murmured the Doctor with a sly smile.



Baker Street is the Robot of Sherwood!
Baker Street is the Robot of Sherwood!

Keep it to fan-made YouTube videos please, despite my love for both; it's pretty obvious it would go a bit... well, awfully. A CiN or Comic Relief sketch might possibly work.

Richy Woo
Richy Woo

I think this idea would make a legendary Comic Relief or Children in Need special sketch, please don't never ever make it into a full episode, there is no way to live up to the potential of this meeting. Please Mr Moffat, in this one instance leave us wanting more, not less.

Ryan Avenak
Ryan Avenak

I think that the various "killjoys" just have more integrity than Moffat. Since he has started running Doctor Who, I have always worried that he would try to throw Sherlock into the show, since it would forever bind both of his TV universes. It just seems a little trashy to add your other show to a show that you are only a part of, not one that you created yourself. That being said, I think that the nod to Sherlock in 'The Snowmen' was done tastefully, because it references the original Sherlock and his own without focusing on it for very long. However, I must add that I have no problems with other people's opinions on that matter, if you want a crossover by all means want it, I just don't.

LaraHarris
LaraHarris

First of all it is a terrible idea and fuelled only by mental fans and secondly this statement directly contradicts the last one he made about this subject. 

Doesn't matter, the mad fans will get their way this year with Children in Need. I dread to think what we are going to be subjected to... let me guess... the Doctor and Sherlock fighting over who is smarter. How dull.

Petyr Cupalldy
Petyr Cupalldy

Benedict Cumberbatch should just play the 13th Doctor. I think a transition from Capaldi to him would be perfect.

ahunter8056
ahunter8056

While I don't think that a full special could work, I think a Doctor Who/Sherlock crossover would work brilliantly as a 5 minute Comic Relief special. 

MrRazza, Investigating Missy and Mr Pink
MrRazza, Investigating Missy and Mr Pink

To be honest, I'll be very disappointed if there isn't at some point a Thick of It Doctor Who crossover late one Comic Relief some time over the next few years!

ilyootha
ilyootha

@TheIdleIdolThe idea in question was to make a Comic Relief special. Obviously the two universes should be kept apart, but I don't see what harm can a non-canonical comical sketch possibly do.

LaraHarris
LaraHarris

I think that would be interesting. He has already in books I think and the 6th Doctor met HG Wells.

Can't delete my post above. Oops.

RyanFee
RyanFee

In other words... MOFFAT IS LYING

lukefoord
lukefoord

@MaraBackman That would have been great. For me the Brett version of Holmes is te one in the DW universe.

CalebBeck
CalebBeck

@Christoph1337 That'd actually be great. And if it'd REALLY have to be convincing for the actors involved it could be a pocket-dimension story or some such

CalebBeck
CalebBeck

@LaraHarris I completely agree with your opinion, but I just wanted to give the counterpoint that a human being has the option the change their mind, hence Moffat's new statement

TARDlSkey
TARDlSkey

Those last two words rather describe your attitude :)

MrRazza, Investigating Missy and Mr Pink
MrRazza, Investigating Missy and Mr Pink

@LaraHarris "fuelled only by mental fans" - I really wish other fans could get past just outright insulting other fans who want and like different things to them.

If it's Children in Need, it will be non-canonical and there will be no obligation to watch. 



helenagardner9
helenagardner9

@Petyr Cupalldy no it would not work and if you have watched interviews benedict does not want to. You should repect what benedict thinks. I must annoy him when people keep saying for him to be the doctor when he has said his not interested

LaraHarris
LaraHarris

My attitude? That I think it's a dull concept? That's not me with an attitude that's you thinking you have the right to decide the sort of person I am based on whether I find something interesting or not. Tell me, if a friend of yours watches a movie you like and decides it was rubbish is that them having an attitude? No its not. If I like an episode of Who you thought was terrible is that you having an attitude? No. It's not. The Doctor and Sherlock are in many ways the same sort of character there's not a lot you can do with that. The expectation would be that there would be a battle over who was smarter. The fact we can ascertain that before it even happens renders doing it (in MY opinion) pointless.

LaraHarris
LaraHarris

Not everyone that watches Who is a fan of Sherlock. I *am* and I STILL think it's a terrible idea for anything other than Children in Need or Comic Relief. "Mental" was meant affectionately. Who has a lot of mad fans wanting mad things. That doesn't make them good ideas.

TARDlSkey
TARDlSkey

See, right there. You made a full paragraph-rant and I wasn't even referring to your opinion. I was referring to your attitude towards the idea of a crossover and your reply to the fellow above. That attitude. :)