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Warning: Deep Breath spoilers follow. If you still haven’t watched the episode yet read on at your own risk!

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Angie Whodini
Angie Whodini

The things that made this scene for me: 

"Believe me, he is more scared than anything you can imagine right now."

"I wasn't, I didn't need to. That was me talking."

The17thDoctor
The17thDoctor

I thought it was a neat little look to the past and trying to explain how some of the children might feel explaining it's the same brilliant show. although i agree now hearing this sort of argument it's a little unfair to put matt smith in peter's debut story. i heard an argument which i can't remember but i slightly agreed with it

Doctordov
Doctordov

Im on the fence about it. I do think it might have undermined capaldi's Doctor because the audience needs time to accept that he's the Doctor and showing us someone who we already associate as the Doctor could make it harder for people to accept him.

usmandikkoladan
usmandikkoladan

the scene worked for me personally, as in if i was the companion. but for clara, if she wasnt developed in the name, day and time of the doctor where shes seen old doctor and understood regeneration, then the scene would have worked better in the episode and claras development. for the long term she was out of charachter for some of the episode, in the short term, she was the veiwer which works, if she hadnt been developed in the past season.

NatFinn
NatFinn

Between 8th's regeneration into the War Doctor, as crafted by the sisterhood of Karn, the Curator talking about going back to old faces, 11 going from a young to old face followed by a "system reset" back to a young face before regeneration and now all the talk by Madame Vastra about veils and 12's early obsession with old faces, the door is open for old faces to return - but just, the old favorites eh?” I'm saying Matt Smith returns after Capaldi does a War-Doctor like run to restore Gallifrey. Second guess, and close second at that, is Paul McGann. Though, nobody could rule out a Tennant return. 














yiffniff
yiffniff

I thought the scene was lovely, and I'm pretty sure I welled up.  Very well written, acted and directed.  

Dan Zuco
Dan Zuco

Perfect scene, helps Clara and the fans struggling with an older doctor at the helm for the first time in new who.

jill00043
jill00043

I personally thought it was a great scene & I cried!  Because #12 was trying to figure himself out/what kind of Doctor is he, etc and yet, all he wanted was to be accepted by his companion, his friend. To be understood.  It was also a wonderful treat to any #11 fan to see him and basically let the fans know, it's ok to like #12, that he will be a good replacement and that the show must go on but without #11 at the forefront.  For me, the episode delivered and it got me so excited for Capaldi's version of The Doctor.

PaddyB
PaddyB

Eleven seemed very subdued during the phone call. I suppose he must have been feeling weak prior to his regeneration and, in a non-fictional sense, Moffat wanted to keep the focus on the current Doctor.

PaddyB
PaddyB

I liked that Capaldi was actually quite saddened in that scene that Clara wouldn't "look at him" as he was- the one and only Doctor. For such an aloof and dark incarnation it was nice that he was still upset by Clara's alienation of him.

Romanadvoratrelundar
Romanadvoratrelundar

I think the problem is that some people didn't get what the Moff was trying to do. When Clara first reacted to Twelve at the beginning of the episode, at first I was taken aback – I expected it to be a bit more mature – but I realised that it reflected the reaction of a new-ish fan suffering the death of their Doctor ("so, how do we change him back?"). She was aware of the other faces, she’d even met some of them, but she still had trouble accepting the fact that her Doctor wasn’t the Doctor anymore – he wasn’t the one who she’d get to have new adventures with everyday. Clara was the good old audience surrogate, the phone call representative of a plea to fans having trouble letting go of Eleven to accept Capaldi (despite him 'being old') and to "help him". Even though I couldn't really relate I thought it was an adorable touch.


Regenfrustration
Regenfrustration

Completely awful. Not only does it undermine the new lead it completely ruins the time of the doctor as 11 seemingly knowing he's going to change removed all of the tension of that episode. Moffat, as he did with everything from RTD's era, apparently doesn't give a toss about established continuity and this is very very annoying. Why would you watch an old episode now knowing that it is utterly pointless in the scheme of things?

CapricornCross
CapricornCross

I don't think this scene was bad at all, it was Matt Smith as the Doctor, telling his young fan base that he amassed during his tenure (it was more kids than fangirls) "don't worry, it's still me" and that was a nice sweet touch. 

ColbyOrrick
ColbyOrrick

The people complaining about this are idiots.  That may have been the best scene of the entire episode, with exception to The Doctor having Clara's back.

Polyphase
Polyphase

I didn't think it was a major problem but just unnecessary :)

madmckenna
madmckenna

It almost made me cry.  I'm really going miss Matt.  But kudos to the new doctor; so far he's awesome!  

JackArtaganMackenna
JackArtaganMackenna

''The scene seems to have divided fans, some feeling it undermined Capaldi’s Doctor.'' one or two idiots have been whining about it on Gallifrey Base, you mean.

thatscottishguy
thatscottishguy

I didn't like how they visually addressed an old incarnation of the doctor on a simple television episode. Usually when we see something that relates to an older doctors' time the doctor simply says 'that was a long time ago' or 'another lifetime'... But yeah, just really hated the fact Matt was in the show again so quickly

Luna23
Luna23

I thought it was brilliant of Moffat to use Matt Smith in the cameo.  It was EXACTLY like Eleven to worry about what Clara might be feeling in the hours and days after he has regenerated.  And since the scene was shot during filming for Time of the Doctor, it took nothing extra to do something that worked on so many levels to reassure any skeptical fans that this was still the Doctor.  But more even than that, this was an enormous favor to Peter Capaldi.  He has been blessed with a marvelous welcome from fans ever since his announcement, to be sure, but someone else had still held the role of the Doctor before him.  And what better way to bridge the gap between two different incarnations than to have a Doctor pass the baton.  Whether it was necessary is not even an issue.  It was lovely, and nice, and if Doctor Who cannot sometimes be just that then what is the point?  And how lovely that the cameo came from the man who was given almost no acceptance at all when he assumed the role.  Well done, well done.

Mercy Reborn2
Mercy Reborn2

I liked it it was a nice thing to do and it was so like matts doctor

PeterGecko2
PeterGecko2

Personally, it was one of the best moments on the episode. It may be in my top ten list for best scenes in Doctor Who 2014.

TobyJ96
TobyJ96

I liked the scene.  I think, if anything, it served as a call out to a lot of fans, and ask for them to give Peter Capaldi a fair shot cause he's is the Doctor.

Oodkind
Oodkind

I don't think it was Matt's appearance that made the scene. For me, it was Capaldi's reaction to it. 

"I'm not on the phone, I'm right here. Standing in front of you." 

It's funny, while you know he's the same person, it's not something you really think about. The scene perfectly drew attention to it, making me really think about regeneration a lot more. I think it did wonders for making not only Clara, but the whole audience let go of Matt and embrace Capaldi as the Doctor.

Jawsey
Jawsey

I think the cameo connects the story very well. We spend the episode buying into that the Doctor is completely new and changed, and yet there's a poignant reminder that everything that has happened before still matters. Every Clara has experienced with the Doctor is still relevant. Take the time to consider the scene's purpose is all I would say on that

oomu
oomu

That final scene was what I needed. You see, I really loved Matt Smith's Doctor, clumsy, raggedy, lovely, old wise and crazy with a box.

But truly emotional, that scene told wonders to what the show is : it's always the Doctor.



During that whole episode, I was dubious about the 12th Doctor and the show was trying to sell it like a different doctor but it was a just a way to hit strong with that final goodbye. The whole speech by Smith and Capaldi was brillant. After that, I could accept the new Doctor and see him again. 











They're all my favorite Doctor, even in Sherwood
They're all my favorite Doctor, even in Sherwood

If they had done that with David Tennant's Doctor on Matt's debut, THAT would've undermined the Eleventh Doctor for sure. But Capaldi is already well known and loved, and it does seem to fit the character of Matt's Doctor to think of that. I loved it.

Seaborn W Deadman
Seaborn W Deadman

I thought it was amazing, I think it's dumb that anyone would think it undermined Capaldi. If anything, it made the transition so much easier. It reassured fans that this was the same Doctor, and that's always hard to grasp at first. It was perfect, could not have been done better.

pyroclasticflow
pyroclasticflow

I thought it was a bit hoaky, but then again, I expect that when I watch Doctor Who. It helped to reassure Clara, and after all, this is the same man we're talking about. Yes, different actors, but he's still the Doctor. Because of that, I don't think it undermined the 12th Doctor at all.

Moreroundthings
Moreroundthings

I thought it was brilliant. Totally in character for 11. And in plot line. After all, in the 50th 11 has already telephoned to a mobile in his past timeline to get UNIT to move Gallifrey Falls from the National Gallery to the Black Archive at the Tower. So telephoning to Clara's mobile in his future timeline makes total sense...

10/10 for Moffat on this cameo as with Deep Breath as a whole!

JasonTurner
JasonTurner

It's only fair Peter's had a cameo in 2 of Matt's eps. Plus the Doctor is one character its not about the ego of the actors. No one actor is bigger than The Doctor.

Strontium
Strontium

So basically he wrote the entire episode around this scene?

Unibot
Unibot

As a huge fan of Smith, I felt like I was watching The Twin Dilemma for most of this episode and had kind of a sick feeling in my stomach that I wasn't even liking The Doctor. This was the scene that convinced me that maybe I was wrong and I thought it seemed right given how difficult this transition was on Clara - plus Clara never really got a proper send-off with Matt's Doctor in 'Time", since Amy was kind of the main subject of focus. 

Scootersfood
Scootersfood

This scene almost made me cry. It was so magical and I just... Love it.

TheDreamer
TheDreamer

@usmandikkoladan The way she talks to Jenny, it seems she thought that regeneration started with the new body being young and then it went on growing old like human bodies do... she didn't expect the new regenerated body to be already old.



Plus he has a different personality - it takes time to adjust, especially if you have a personality that needs you to stay in control of your life and environment. She freaked out because suddenly things were not as she had expected. She didn't want him to change before he regenerated either.


She saw all the others Doctors in passing... they weren't a part of her life. She didn't become friends with them. Technically, her echoes met the other Doctors, they weren't her, she only saw the Doctors running by past her in the Doctor's time stream on Trenzalore. She met the War Doctor when he was old, but she didn't know him from the day he regenerated... and 10 was still young(ish). She had no first hand experience of the details of regeneration, of what happened when a Time Lord regenerates and the post regen confusion.



AnthonyJFuchs
AnthonyJFuchs

@NatFinn I would very much like to see McGann get another chance to have a full run at playing the Doctor.

TheIdleIdol
TheIdleIdol

Of course 11 knew he was going to change - I'm not sure if you're misplacing when that scene actually took place in the context of the Siege of Trenzalore, but the phone call, from 11's perspective, took place after he was given a new regenerative cycle, destroyed the Daleks and returned to his TARDIS, in the brief interval before Clara turned up. That's why the phone was off the hook when Clara got there (it'd just been used), and that's why 11 referenced that he thought his next regeneration was going to be a "whopper" - it was the first of a whole new cycle. "Breaking some serious science here, boys" etc. It wasn't pointless at all, it took place right at the very end once everything had been wrapped up and he was minutes away from regeneration. That phone call, other than his final monologue, was pretty much his last act as the Eleventh Doctor.

Mr_DMHP
Mr_DMHP

@Regenfrustration You do remember the gap between the Doctor blowing up the Daleks and then speaking to Clara in the TARDIS? That's when the phone call took place. The Doctor knew he'd regenerate by that point! As for undermining Capaldi, it's a baton change. Not like he'll appear again, so no harm done.










ilyootha
ilyootha

@Regenfrustration I gather you turned your TV off before the last minutes of The Time of the Doctor aired, because Eleven knew very well that he's going to change there.

Romanadvoratrelundar
Romanadvoratrelundar

@thatscottishguy I get what you mean, but it was just a little cameo...I mean, to me it's not much more than that weird device of the Doctor's printing out WIlliam Hartnell's face in Vincent and the Doctor. I don't really feel it took away from the fact that it was Capaldi's episode at all, and that makes it okay with me.

JohnSmith76
JohnSmith76

@thatscottishguy respect your opinion, but I think it helped (some) fans transition from Smith to Capaldi. Matt was/is well loved, a fav to many.  It helps some to accept Capaldi as the new man w/out too much regret at losing Smith.  Besides, Moffet's good at poignant scenes.  It was bound to happen sooner or later, don't you think?  :)

Riversmith
Riversmith

THIS. Exactly.


And the fact that we couldn't help but realise, from Twelve's reaction to the phone call, that this is the same Doctor: "I'm not on the phone. I'm right here".

Sephora is Scottish now
Sephora is Scottish now

@Oodkind Thanks! I really don't understand people who say it took away from Peter's Doctor. This was his most touching scene "You look at me and you can't see me. Do you have any idea what it's like?"

LucidC0nfusi0n
LucidC0nfusi0n

@Oodkind I agree I think Clara as well as the Eleven(13) fans needed that extra closer. I loved that scene especially the awkward hug. I loved when she got on to him for listening to the call and he reminded her that he simply remembered it because he  is the same man.


LucidC0nfusi0n
LucidC0nfusi0n

@Jawsey Well said. I agree entirely. I don't think the episode would have had as much impact with out that cameo.

Luna23
Luna23

@oomu "Clumsy, raggedy, lovely, old, wise and crazy with a box"......a perfect description of Eleven !

EoinMcCarthy
EoinMcCarthy

@Strontium Capaldi was already cast to replace Smith as the Doctor before the last season was broadcast and Moffat must have written the scene in response to newer fans that the new doctor was too different. It was a clever idea as Smith's Doctor was talking directly to his more recent audience (as opposed to fans who'd seen countless regenerations over countless decades before 2005's younger feel) with Clara playing the part of the viewer who may have been expecting more Smith/Tennant style 'Doctoring' in future...


calliarcale
calliarcale

@Strontium Of course not.  ;-)  It was a scene clearly built to fit in after anything.  Moffatt was making a joke with that comment about guff about clockwork droids.