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Is Torchwood: Miracle Day Unfairly Criticised?

Guest contributor Thomas Field believes the divisive fourth run deserves another chance.

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There’s no denying that Torchwood’s fourth series Miracle Day reaped a large amount of criticism from fans after it aired back in 2011. It was a real mould breaker for Torchwood as, along with largely being set in America, rather than in its home grown roots of Cardiff, much beloved characters Ianto, Owen and Tosh were not present (well, they were dead), and this was quite a blow for the fans.

Many people’s first experience of Torchwood was Miracle Day’s series opener The New World and a small minority of Brits thought it was great, a feeling that was most likely shared by a great amount of Miracle Day’s American audience, many of whom were also watching Torchwood for the first time. This was most likely what caused problems with older fans of Torchwood, because as this opener needed to introduce a new audience to the show (it was the show’s first big broadcast in America and therefore needed to accommodate for incoming viewers), it became weighed down by the reintroduction of the Torchwood Institute and its (remaining) team members.

I think most of us can agree that the best series of Torchwood by far is 2009’s mini-series Children of Earth, and, although some people may have missed the single episode format of Series 3’s predecessors, there is no doubt in my mind that the development of characters, the emotional progression and the thematic undercurrents were handled in a way that made this series far superior to Torchwood’s debut and second series and although Miracle Day would never have been able to exceed the quality of Children of Earth, some fans think it still stands up well as a solid series. So were Miracle Day’s criticisms justified, or was this fourth outing for Jack and Gwen better than people thought?

A Further Insight Into Jack’s Past

torchwood miracle day episode 7 pics (10)Before Torchwood we really knew very little about Jack Harkness’ long history, but over Series 1, 2 and 3 we gradually learnt more and more. Miracle Day told us another of Jack’s many tales, exploring his relationship with Angelo Colasanto in 1920s New York in the series’ 7th episode, Immortal Sins. Not only did this instalment provide a great set-up for the following episode, it also presented important themes involving homosexuality. Jack, being an omnisexual, all over the place, anything goes time agent, is totally cool with being gay. But Angelo, being a man of the 1920s, a time when people were not as accepting as they are today, is not so sure about what he’s doing. His main reason for feeling guilty about being gay is because of his religious beliefs, which go on to influence his opinions about Jack when his resurrection abilities are revealed. He is a classic example of the effect that religious beliefs can have on your views, and these views even drive him to selling out Jack as a circus act. This episode revealed that, as with Children of Earth, something in Jack’s past is related to events happening in the present day, and in Miracle Day’s case, Jack’s blood was of paramount importance.

Good New Characters

esther-torchwood-miracle-dayAfter the departure of Tosh and Owen in Series 2 and Ianto in the following series, many fans felt that Miracle Day would be far worse without these characters. Others felt that, although the deaths of three important members of the Torchwood team were sad, this move was justified, as it was shocking and proved the worth of Exit Wounds’ villain – Jack’s brother Gray – and Children of Earth’s alien menace – the 456. To make up for the absence of these beloved characters, Miracle Day introduced us to CIA field agent Rex Matheson and his partner in crime Esther Drummond. Esther, from the get go, is a really likeable character. She is the underdog, the office girl who dreams of being a field agent, and we automatically route for her. Rex is the opposite, he is an annoying, self centred CIA agent working exactly where Esther wants to be.

To begin with, Rex gathered a lot of of criticism from UK fans for just being an annoying character. This was ridiculous. Just because a character is portrayed to be on the good side, it doesn’t mean that they have to be a totally perfect human being. Rex is fighting for what the audience thinks is good, but he does have some human flaws. This is part of what makes Rex a good character, and it’s his development over the course of Miracle Day that turns him into a hero, and a character that we can truly love at the end of the series.

Esther, being one of the nicest characters ever to appear in Torchwood, was probably doomed to die from the beginning. As with Ianto, Esther was the heart of her series, and, to show that the stakes were really high, it made sense to kill her off in the finale. One continuing theme throughout Torchwood’s four series is sacrificing someone for the greater good of humankind, embodied in Children of Earth by Jack’s grandson Steven, and in Miracle Day by Esther.

A Global Setting

torchwood-md-bomb-starzOne of the main criticisms about this series was the distinct lack of Cardiff and the majority of it being set in America. Although I can see why some people didn’t like this, is it not true that a lot of the much beloved Children of Earth was set in London? In addition to this, as Torchwood is a show that is constantly changing and evolving, (whether that is its graduation from, the soon to be lost, BBC Three, to BBC Two, to BBC One, or its re-shuffling of format) so it makes sense for it to try out new things, like being set in different countries, or having new characters.

Without the cooperation of American network Starz, we may not have ever got any more Torchwood, so it was fair enough that some of Miracle Day was set in the USA. Admittedly, however, that the ‘banter’ between Gwen and Esther about lemonade and crisps/chips etc was a complete waste of time and lacked any purpose, but apart from that, the American setting brought with it a new interesting feel to the show.

Along with a new country to play with, Miracle Day spotlighted a new American supporting cast, most notably Lauren Ambrose as Jilly Kitzinger and Hollywood star Bill Pullman as Oswald Danes. These two stellar performances were remarkable and really made Torchwood stand out in the sea of other Sci-Fi dramas.

A Better Use of the ‘Adult’ Rating

torchwood-md-gwen-babyThroughout Series 1, our favourite alien fighting team were still finding their feet, and each episode seemed to be trying to fulfil a check-list to make sure the show was ‘mature’ or ‘adult’ enough. You can just imagine the tone meeting: “Ok, so we’ve got some blood, and some sex, good. But someone hasn’t sworn yet!” By Series 3 and 4, however, Torchwood had progressed, and made more constructive use of its post-watershed status, rather than just throwing things in for the sake of it. Torchwood: Miracle Day, like it’s predecessors, had it’s fair share of adult content, but this time it made sense, it was embedded in a strong story, and had a point to it, rather than just being included for no obvious reason other than to make it more ‘grown-up’. As with Children of Earth, Miracle Day, rather than just spilling over with in your face violent scenes, had a dark subject matter, and used its violence in moderation to make a point.

An Ongoing Mystery

torchwood miracle day finale pics (8)The Blessing, the three families and the mysterious double agent Charlotte Wills, these three intriguing mysteries were one of the best things about Miracle Day. It kept each episode interesting, and helped to bring viewers back every week and, although the threat, in the end, wasn’t at all alien, there was still a satisfying pay off in The Blood Line. The fact that the final episode heavily hinted that the three families’ escapades were only just beginning, suggesting a future storyline, was exciting, and many fans were left wanting to find out more about this organisation, and what they were up to. The Blessing is an interesting idea, and the fact that there is not much detail regarding its origin and capabilities helps to shroud the miracle causing tube in mystery. As for Charlotte Wills, her story is wrapped up nicely in the finale, providing a fitting end to the character, with Rex getting the revenge he deserved, and a full explanation of her connection with the plot.

To Conclude…

Although Torchwood: Miracle Day,as with all things, has it’s faults, it battles through these to tell a compelling, serialised tale that explores many important themes like sacrifice, power and peoples views on homosexuality, whilst embedding this all in a dark, science-fiction world. The amount of dislike that Miracle Day procured was, on reflection, undeserved and, although it will never be held in the same place in fans’ hearts as Children of Earth it still holds up as a better series than Torchwood‘s début, with a more focused, precise and defined storyline, in contrast to the all over the place, jumbled collection of episodes that was Series 1. So grab the DVD box set, sit down, and give Miracle Day another chance.

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Scootersfood
Scootersfood

Personally Miracle Day is my favorite characters. Torchwood proves that they aren't afraid of killing characters, and I love the acting and stories this Season. I'm glad we finally have a season of anything Doctor Who related that is very American. I LOVED Children of the Earth, but I loved  Miracle Day much more. So many emotions. I hope Torchwood returns, is so underrated. I do agree with the aliens thing though, it's related to Doctor Who, it NEEDS aliens! xD



ceagfuller
ceagfuller

 I do believe the criticism is unfair.  Being an American, I probably have a different perspective on Miracle Day, but I enjoyed watching it.  So much that I spent a couple days on Netflix and watched it from start to finish.  This was my first time seeing Miracle Day.  In the last year, I gave the relaunch of Doctor Who a chance and fell in love with it.  Because of that, i decided to watch Torchwood and it was honestly a little harder for me to get hooked on at first.  So, it took a while for me to get to Children of Earth and Miracle Day.  I thought both seasons were great but for different reasons. 




I have to admit I was apprehensive when I started Miracle Day.  I had read the negative opinions on line.  I also watch the Doctor Who movie with Paul McGann and saw how the Americanized version of a great British show can fall flat.  I didn't get that feeling with Miracle Day.  It wasn't about aliens but it still had a compelling story with many dynamics in the relationships of the main characters.  And there was a little something extra with the CIA involvement that reminded of watching another Jack (Jack Bauer in 24) on the run but still trying to save the day.  

  So, I just today finished Miracle Day and I am sad.  I have no more Torchwood to watch and it does not appear there will be any chance in the near future.  The writers left it wide open to jump back in and continue the series so you never know.  

  Thankfully new episodes of the Doctor are on the way soon.  I don't know what I will binge watch in the meantime.














ukdramafan
ukdramafan

A well considered article - unfortunately I can't agree with most of its conclusions. Whilst missing the original cast, and its home setting of Cardiff, transplanting the story line to America was not the problem. Using Jack's past as a premise for cause and effect would be a sound idea if the writing had remained true to his established past while introducing new information, unfortunately it was changed or disregarded completely. Series 1 established that Jack would "shag anything that's gorgeous enough" yet new viewers to TW would assume from Miracle Day that Jack is simply gay. Jack's relationship with Angelo explains how his immortality became known and exploited, yet the character ends as an old man in a bed who does not regain consciousness before dying. The plot could have been served just as well by Jack learning that Angelo had already died, or by having Angelo regain consciousness just long enough to realise Jack was with him at the end. Rex's character deserved its criticism - he was not only unlikeable, but offensive. I tried to draw parallels between him and Owen - who was often offensive, but had the team's best interests at heart - but there was no back history from the writers to explain why Rex's character was so unsympathetic. He certainly had human flaws, but far too few redeeming qualities. As previously noted by many reviewers, basing the entire rationale for the Miracle of immortality on Jack's blood means that the entire Miracle Day series ignores Jack's canon history from Doctor Who and the preceding three seasons of Torchwood. In order for Jack's blood to be able to pass on his ability, it would mean that he was genetically altered by Rose, not merely made a fixed point. Assuming this were true, then his grandson Stephen would have been unable to die in Children of Earth, since Jack's daughter and therefore his grandson share his DNA. The concept of mass immortality was a brilliant one for exploration, but  attributing the cause to Jack's blood is the main reason for me, that Miracle Day didn't work as a fourth season of Torchwood. It would have been a good stand alone sci-fi if Jack and Gwen were  any other characters but themselves, since there wouldn't be a back history to remain true to. Cutting the 10 episodes to 5 would have helped improve continuity and boost engagement, but Miracle Day wasn't Torchwood. 

AnthonyMercer
AnthonyMercer

I've always preferred Miracle Day to Children of Earth! My main problem with Children is the characters - as you mention, Tosh and Owen were no longer in it leaving us with just three of the original team. Most of the characters unique to that story were pretty unmemorable to me. On the other hand, not only did Miracle Day make the Torchwood team more full again with Rex and Esther, but it introduced other interesting characters too - Oswald and Kitzinger were the main ones. Pretty much the only thing I didn't like about Miracle Day was the Angelo episode, which really didn't contribute anything to the arc. Oh, and also the lemonade/chips conversations you mentioned.

MCGmandy
MCGmandy

I can get over the reintroduction of Torchwood, but this is by far not as good as any Torchwood that came before it...They put an American gloss over it and it took away from Torchwood. If we learned anything it is that these shows need to stay true. Doctor Who successfully stayed true in Season 7, Episode 5 - The Angels Take Manhattan, so I do not want to hear it was necessary for the audience sake.


Noybusiness
Noybusiness

Silva Screen and Murray Gold need to release the soundtrack for this season. It's the only Torchwood series not represented on CD. Gold's score for Miracle Day was brilliant as ever.

masonbrw
masonbrw

miracle day was my introduction to torchwood, and by extension dr who ,i enjoyed it and i'd like to see another series, through bbc starz or otherwise





MeganMacleod
MeganMacleod

I don't think that the time line story w/ the Dr. Is any good. The Dr. doesn't affect everything.

MeganMacleod
MeganMacleod

I would very much like to see Torchwood come back...You did leave all of us hanging.

Is this possible, I for one would love to see the team go round again.

Thank you

SteveWillis
SteveWillis

I felt like it raised interesting ideas and questions but never answered them or explored them. "Wouldn't it be great if there was a cult of people who saw something spiritual in this event? Well there is but all we'll do is mention it in passing and never bring it up again. So use your imaginations smart people!"                                    

It felt stretched. It wasn't a joy watching individual episodes because it felt so stretched. Some episodes were great in their own right (the first episode was a great start). That's what's so frustrating. It felt stretched, yet they had a pool of ideas and concepts to draw from to bulk it up a bit.                  

I didn't like how randy Jack was. I know he's a very sexually active person, but showing us him being sexually active didn't add anything. It was like "so um, ok, I'll just awkwardly sit here watching you have sex whilst the plot pauses.Ok"                                                                                                                      

Characters were great, except for the homophobic person. The only thing I can remember about him was his love interest and his homophobia. Either I'm someone who can only remember people's flaws or relationships, or he was written poorly.                                                                                                        I was annoyed at the last few scenes because I thought "Oh God, they're fishing for another series. This story isn't entirely tied up. Am I going to have to endure another series just to get complete closure?"                                                                                                                                                                           The format of this post is weird because for some reason I cannot use the Enter/Return key for a new line. It's this or wall of text.





tealeaves
tealeaves

I think this article did a great job of bringing balance to the Torchwood Miracle Day debate and highlighting some unfair criticism but for me it misses out perhaps the largest criticism of the story. Ultimately the premise of the show was 'Miracle Day' which was, I thought, a truly inspired idea by Russell T. Davies and a way to explore some really interesting topical questions about population growth and Malthusian crisis.

However the big reveal of WHY Miracle Day had happened was ultimately just a huge deux ex machina and very unsatisfying. What was great about RTD's story arcs in Doctor Who was that everything came together at the end, all the hints of missing planets and mysterious appearances of Rose suddenly made complete sense. There was no sense of a big reveal in Miracle Day's finale and this made the rest of the series (however good or bad that was) feel like a waste of time.

tardiselliot
tardiselliot

Is it unfarily criticised - NO, it wasn't Torchwood - it just felt like some new sci fi show which is fine but I wanted to see Torchwood. And frankly I just didn't buy that it was part of the Doctor Who Universe. Children of Earth u accept the Doctor isn't there. But when no one dies for 6 months I think he would notice. I'm sure many disagree with me but I thought it should have gone back to the standard format with the occasional children of earth special every 2/3 years






OncomingStorm in a Brownoat with a stake
OncomingStorm in a Brownoat with a stake

Good article. It was pretty good, not as good as Children Of Earth obviously, but it had a really strong premise. I just think it was too dragged out, it would've worked better as a mini series.

JohnHarris4
JohnHarris4

I watched the series all the way through, so I guess it was not as bad as it was painted in some quarters.  Having said that, it seemed a bit disjointed in places, the storyline was not as smooth as some previous series.  Part of the problem is that in this "Who" reality, surely the Doctor or UNIT would have become involved?  Though that could be said of several stories, why haven't 'Torchwood' picked up Madame Vastra for example?

It looked and felt like the worst example of RTD's efforts, too many things covered without explanation.

Personally some of the 'Torchwood' radio stories where much better (and cheaper to make).

Still it was still better than most drama on the TV.

Beasts_a_Snarling
Beasts_a_Snarling

The major problem with Miracle Day, is the fact that the newly introduced characters did not fit in with the already introduced cast. There was that contradiction: the idea that Esther and Rex were both a part of Torchwood and not. I found that contradiction very jarring throughout the series. I didn't feel the new cast jelled with the newly introduced one.


There were times, when I was wondering whether this was Torchwood at all. The style had totally changed.

gunslinger19
gunslinger19

its not as good as CoE, but its still brilliant imo. jilly was great, Oswald is one of the best whoniverse characters ever, if not the best. i loved the parallels between him and Jack as they had both killed a child and yet Jack still judged him. his last line was perfectly chilling and beautifully monstrous. the story could have been condensed, but i liked the detail heavy focus and there were a lot of nice concepts introduced. i don't dislike rex or esther but i can see why people might. compared to the other characters in the show, they simply cannot hold their own. i think that DW needs to reference MD because if they don't it creates a strange bridge between the two series. it would be a shame if Torchwood never gets a 5th series especially as MD had an ambiguous ending. i would actually quite like the blessing/ the family to be adressed in Who, that might be interesting. if TW cant come back, i seriously hope we will see Jack again CoE elevated him to one of my favorite characters.

awkward912
awkward912

My opinions of Miracle Day are: a) It's nowhere near as bad as series 2, b) it really kicks in towards the end after a very slow start, c) I remain annoyed that everyone just assumes Jack is mortal after he gets a tiny cut for the ENTIRE SERIES with absolutely no proof. That's lazy writing, and RTD should know better. And for a pansexual character Jack only shows any interest in men in MD - why is that? Could it be headline grabbing over staying true to character? Plus, of course, the discontinuity with DW as already mentioned by many. It's a mixed bag for sure. 

IceDaleks
IceDaleks

Something I didn't get was that Rex Matherson became immortal from Jacks blood, however when Rose brought Jack back to life in 'The Parting Of The Ways' I thought she had made him a fixed point in time, which was the Doctors explanation in 'Utopia', and it wasn't his blood? Maybe the Blessing have Rex immortality via Jacks blood?

Miss Bosswald wants you to nuke the Moon.
Miss Bosswald wants you to nuke the Moon.

Miracle Day wasn't nearly as bad as people think and I'm grateful someone wrote this. However I disagree on many points.


First of all the characters. I liked Rex on first sight. He doesn't take Jack's s***. He is not a one-dimensional character, he's quite funny ("World war two"). Actually he reminded me of the Brigadier in many aspects. Esther on the other hand didn't work at all for me. She's nice, she loves children, she's nice, she's too nice... RTD has proven he's capable of writing great female characters for sci-fi (Donna, Gwen and to some extent, Martha). What the hell was he thinking ?

Vera Suarez is a far better character. She is smart, bossy and very much in control even though her sexual involvement with Rex is completely useless and falls under the "we-need-to-prove-this-is-an-adult-show" category.

Jilly Kitzinger is brilliantly played as well. She steals every single scene she's in. And what can be said Oscar Danes ! "Bad little girls go to hell. She should have run faster" God that dude was awful in a wonderful way. It was a bold move to show such a despicable character not redeeming himself. Secondary characters were a highlight of series 4.

My main concern about series 4 is the blood story line. There were great aspects. First of all, the camps were a great part of the plot. Reminded me of "Turn Left" in a more mature way. What the human race is capable of doing when they're scared. But there are plot-holes as big as a planet in here. Jack keeps on saying his blood doesn't have anything special. Which is true. He is a fixed point in time, not a superman or something. The resolution was a complete deus ex machina in my opinion even though I was impressed by Rex and Esther's trick to transfer Jack's blood into Rex.

Finally I was disappointed with the amount of scenes John Barrowman was given. We had a great opportunity here. The-man-who-cannot-die is mortal again. But all he does is screwing people around. Jack is very much sexual (and writing gay characters is another strength of Davies) but his sexuality has never defined him as a character. At least not until series 4...

In the end, Miracle Day does have a lot of flaws but it's still better than a lot of crap we've got on television. 

Jawsey
Jawsey

I do agree with a large majority of this article. Areas like killing major characters kept the series fresh, and the Jack-Angelo episode was a real highlight, very engaging. But i always felt the pacing of this series was very choppy, and was about 3 episodes too long. Children of Earth was so perfect because it knew exactly where it was going, it was 5 beautifully flowing episodes. After the first half of the season I thought MD lost its direction, the plot didn't seem to be going anywhere until the big reveal was bundled in at the last episode.


But what annoyed me most of all was that the reason for no-one dying was a total copout. I won't risk banning with spoilers, but go and read Clint Hassell's review of it, he explains it very well.






Digglescratch
Digglescratch

I strongly enjoyed Miracle Day. However, I couldn't help but think it felt too disconnected from the Doctor Who universe, because if you try to apply this series of Torchwood in terms of where it should fall in line with DW, Amy, Rory, and the Doctor somehow were untouched by the events of Miracle Day during Series 6, while Earth was unusually peaceful in their neck of the woods. But what really bugs me is the open-ended finale. Miracle Day gave us a glaring sequel hook (as did series 2 with Gray, despite the Hub blowing up- we never knew where his body really ended up or if Jack even sent him to the cold storage). At least give us a fifth series that can act as a grand finale- don't leave us hanging, because all those unsolved questions can gnaw at you after a while. And fanfiction does not provide a suitable way of dealing with them.

notadaythanks
notadaythanks

While your article does look at things in a positive spin. I do have some problems with Miracle Day that you didn't really address.

One they changed canon to suit the story line with Jack and his blood and immortal Rex. I think that's pretty big when two different shows are affected.Did Doctor Ten lie ? That question mark counts to me.


Two Im sorry but it's the same three stories in a row now starting with Exit Wounds/COE/MD Jack's past is the reason, someone from TW dies ( no surprise who in MD) it's just the Alien/Non Alien who is different


Three, it felt like a spin off with some Torchwood characters, which would have been fine if that's what they advertised but why are they using the name Torchwood anyway. Jack doesn't own it, how are they Torchwood anymore ?

sontaran17
sontaran17

How very fiting as I'm just about to dive into MD as part of my MASSIVE TORCHWOOD rewatch - and thanks to this article I'll be jumping in with a great sense of positivity. Lets be frank- It was almost impossible for MD to achieve the AMAZING standards of S2 and CoE - but its not as bad as people make out. Yes there are faults -- but like the article points out there are so many redeeming qualities. Thankyou

7valleys
7valleys

Nice article. Sadly Miracle Day is rubbish.

Mercy Reborn2
Mercy Reborn2

I didnt see a lot of miracle day but it cant have been that awful

B910
B910

I honestly got the same feel from Miracle Day as the rest of Torchwood, which is the same feel I get whenever I watch something just a bit dark. As a citizen of the US, I think it's pretty cool we got some screen time, and I just have to say to all of the people in the UK, why are you so jealous? So we got one season, you got all of the rest, not to mention Doctor Who, which is loved the world over. To those who aren't jealous, I thank you for that.

But back to the point. Although I feel like Miracle Day was a step in a new direction and just the old with some minor changes and some new fresh out of the box characters. For me, Miracle Day, is about as good as the rest of Torchwood (and I like Torchwood so that's a compliment).


MeglosProductions
MeglosProductions

I love how a lot of people on here are basically dismissing the article saying "No. It's awful" without even backing it up.


Liana21
Liana21

I quite like the storylines and the concepts of Children of Earth and Miracle Day, but the truth is that I'm not so fond of them as I am of the old Torchwood 3 team, I just loved Ianto and his coffee.

beskar
beskar

The problem with Miracle Day wasn't the flashbacks to Jack's past - they were great. And it wasn't the way it made us question the Government, burning people alive - that made us think. The problem with Miracle Day was the overall premise of everyone becoming immortal -- and what caused it -- just felt really, really, really, stupidly weak and silly. That's the problem with Miracle Day.

MrRazza, WANTED: A Lord of Thyme
MrRazza, WANTED: A Lord of Thyme

To be honest I think it's excellent that someone has taken the time and effort to produce this article. My attempt at this article would probably have gone like so:


"No."

However, the points made here are clear, well argued and actually, when I stop and think about them, very true. Miracle Day (probably as a result of the juxtaposition between it and Children of Earth) does actually receive undue levels of criticism. It's no masterpiece, it's a bit longer than it needs to be, but there's a lot worse out there. 

I think this may be a result of the Doctor Who Opinion Bandwagon Effect, in which a disaffection towards an episode is encouraged and nurtured by contrasting positive opinions for other episodes and interactions with others, fuelling it into a full blown dislike without solid basis.

The key issue, as other comments describe better than I could, is continuity. 

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

I actually quite enjoyed Miracle Day. I was rewatching it a few months ago and I forgot how well done of a story it was. It's pretty much my type of show, really, it had all the pieces there. A little too American for my taste, but that's really how it was produced. And, call me out on it if you must, but I honestly preferred Miracle Day to a majority of Series 6 of Doctor Who. That's just me, and I'm weird, so yeah...

Scootersfood
Scootersfood

@ceagfuller I know, right? I want another Torchwood season so bad.... I wish we could learn more about Torchwood Four.

PrisonerZeroIsACybermen
PrisonerZeroIsACybermen

@tardiselliot There was a fan theory that Torchwood: Miracle Day is set in a universe where the cracks in time didn't happen.  So the time lines diverged and the Doctor is in a time line where the cracks are sealed while Torchwood is in a time line where the cracks didn't happen in the first place.

Beasts_a_Snarling
Beasts_a_Snarling

@B910 People are not jealous. They are upset that the US keep "stealing" British shows, even though they are legally given away. I suppose it is like selling the Golden Gate Bridge to China. That would leave many Americans upset.

Beasts_a_Snarling
Beasts_a_Snarling

@MrRazza, the Official Rani Identifier Not everyone is under the "Doctor Who Opinion Bandwagon Effect." It is a long name isn't it? Let's give it an abbreviation: DWOBE


Of course it is out there, and a major reason for a lot of likeness between opinions. Unfortunately, it is a risk when being part of a fanbase and frankly, being a part of anything.


We can all have the same opinion, but if our reasoning behind is different, then great.

DasManiac
DasManiac

@SonicTheHedgehogRules What does "a little too American for my taste" mean?

awkward912
awkward912

@PrisonerZeroIsACybermen @awkward912  Yep, but the rationalisation that he's become mortal rather than susceptible to the living death others are (from memory, Gwen seems to think that he can die while everyone else on Earth can't) comes from nowhere and is treated as gospel for the rest of the series.

B910
B910

Good point. My bad. Shouldn't have talked about things I didn't completely understand.

Scootersfood
Scootersfood

I do find it very annoying when people are like "Miracle Day has too much US" and as an American citizen I find it offensive. What's wrong with having a US setting in it? It's literally the same show with a different setting and accents. 

Beasts_a_Snarling
Beasts_a_Snarling

@Scootersfood Because it was also broadcasted in the US, the show had to adapt to the customs of TV shows in the US. 

TV shows in the US are considerably different than the ones in the UK.


People are upset because Torchwood, a British show, had changed from the format that worked well for it in the past; Children of Earth for example.


RTD and co, tried to please audiences from the UK and the US, but in so doing created a jarring mix of chocolate and tomato soup.



MCGmandy
MCGmandy

As a fan from before North America even caught on to what is by far the best spin-off I have ever watched...the show was not the same and it had a great deal to do with the different landscape, filming style, and unnecessary back stories.....when I travel I do not want the place I go to to simulate to what I am used to at home, I want it to be a unique experience....Torchwood is like that, and the American episodes were like watching an unwanted/failed 2nd film....same thing happened to BBC's Primeval

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