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If you want to continue discussing the trailer please go here for the breakdown -  www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/?p=64427





supermoff
supermoff

This truly is an incredible trailer! :D

italia90
italia90

Hello, I'm Mr Clever. I originally posted a spoiler here and now I'm banned.



The Outer Space K9
The Outer Space K9

Hope the trailer break down comes up later tonight.  Many sites do this kind of stuff but none are as good as DWTV's. I always look fowards to them because no matter how many times I look at the trailer there's always something I miss.

gunslinger19
gunslinger19

anyone else wonder if when capaldi says "into darkness" he might be going to save gallifrey in 'no sir...all 13' bit? it would kind of fit with the previous line of cleaning up his mistakes

Rani Nose
Rani Nose

Is that Madame Vastra or another Silurian?  She didn't seem like Vastra to me, but maybe that was just the briefness of the clip

Petrichore050
Petrichore050

I really think that Capaldi is gonna completely win me over in just the first episode because already he has hooked me in more and more and i think that Capaldi will show a much fiercer doctor and doctor who will become a bit darker but i do believe that doctor who wont just be this dark and gloomy show i think that Capaldi will give it a lot more edge and really put the audience behind the sofa which i think Matt Smith could not achieve in his stories as he was a lot sillier and less fierce (as much as i loved Matt's doctor) he could not achieve this serious threat and with season 8 i think its gonna put the doctor in situations where it shows the audience what the 12th doctor does in a situation compared to other doctors.

Stradiwhovius
Stradiwhovius

I've heard the name Scovox in connection with the robot creature at 0:27, does anyone know if that has any grounding in set reports or something?

BJAMES
BJAMES

Bookcases! A golden sort of lighting in areas! Shades of the Eighth Doctor's Tardis console room! Excitement!

davidbrummy
davidbrummy

It seems based on the trailers that this incarnation of the Doctor is troubled by who is he and what he has done.  Could he therefore be planning to go back to past adventures in an attempt to try and fix mistakes?

Silurian53
Silurian53

Such an amazing trailer. The music and the delivery of dialogue certainly looks to confirm the show will go down a darker path which in my opinion is not a bad thing, not a bad thing at all! Not long now arghhhh too excited for this

DavidChippa
DavidChippa

So, a few things I noticed...firstly, the Library and colour scheme have DEFINITELY moved/changed. Clara in one shot is wearing a Dalek wrist band thing, which, when last used, was to protect you from nanobots...there is no show of Danny, we're keeping the old screwdriver and Capaldi seems to be in a different suit, whether that's to do with his costume decision, I don't know...PS Doctor Who TV, will you be doing a frame by frame review? :) 



BrIdGeWoOd4Be
BrIdGeWoOd4Be

I swear there's a part of this trailer that uses the same frame as The Doctor's Wife.

yoshfiction
yoshfiction

The thing at 0:27 reminds me of the Turians from Mass Effect.

JFrance
JFrance

Vote T-Rex for Prime Minister. 

The Alien Hunter
The Alien Hunter

Did anyone notice the alien wearing the waters of mars costume

SulaymanKhan
SulaymanKhan

Woah thats amazing. Were we told about dinosaurs ?

TomLong2
TomLong2

Hopefully, Moffat will care about Doctor Who this round because his series 7 work suggested otherwise. In series 7, they went too far the opposite way. resulting in possibly the worst series since the show came back. Ditching the convoluted arcs to have a villain who just shows up twice and then again in the finale isn't really an better because there was no actual "arc". Only one of the good stories was even written by him, his others were horribly lazily written. In fact, before the start of the second half of the series, there was all of one episode I actually thought was good. The second half was thankfully better but still not good enough.  Viewers and international profile have nothing to do with the quality of a show or writing. We base criticism on objective viewing of Doctor Who and we base it on established conventions of story telling. Writing, narratives, story arcs, natural motivations of characters, real emotions. The writing of individual episodes has been truly awful. Rushed, convoluted, relying on deus ex machina, lacking internal logic and consistency, emotionally forced and on and on and on. There were a few good moments here and there, but those did not make up for the abundance of bad. The Day of the Doctor was possibly Doctor Who's lowest point. Doctor Who in the hands of Moffat and the modern BBC will never be good regardless of how many people watch it. They simply don't know what they have. The premise of Doctor Who has so much more potential and can be a hell of a lot better than it has been in the last few seasons and the abysmal specials.







Seaborn W Deadman
Seaborn W Deadman

The lighting makes her look a bit odd, but it's definitely Vastra.


Malohkeh
Malohkeh

@Stradiwhovius I could peek in the scripts (which I downloaded), but I don't want to spoil anything for myself.

Petrichore050
Petrichore050

I think you are right there as they have said he is going back to an old doctor who location and perhaps this could be him fixing mistakes he has made

Silurian53
Silurian53

I thought exactly the same thing!

Ollie Walton Harrod
Ollie Walton Harrod

@TomLong2 Firstly, I agree with your general point. But...

I think Series 7 - part 2 consists only of the worst Doctor Who episodes of the modern era. I think part 1 was better.

I also don't think the lack of story arc was necessarily what was wrong with it. It was more just the narrative of the individual episodes (as you said).

And you can't really aacurately say that Doctor Who will/can never be good with Moffat's leadership. I'm not a great fan of Moffat, and I have a number of criticisms of him, but many people do like him. So, you can't really disregard everyone who does think he's good, because your opinion is superior.

Stuck in the vortex
Stuck in the vortex

@TomLong2 TomLong, You are entitled to your own opinion of course, but I do believe that I represent the general opinion of Whovians when I say that we have been lucky to have such brilliant writers and episodes. Sure, some episodes are clearly better then others, but on the whole the show is, and as it always has been, absolutely fantastic.

TheOncomingSnow
TheOncomingSnow

@TomLong2 Anyone who calls The Day of the Doctor DW's lowest point is either trolling or just plain crazy.

The Outer Space K9
The Outer Space K9

Same here they're on my computer but I won't open them. I'm making it a test for my determination.

davidbrummy
davidbrummy

@Petrichore050 The Dinosaurs could be a reference to Operation Golden Age and The Invasion.  Obviously there has been talk of a return to Sarn and the events of Planet of Fire.  Finally of course the Doctor could go for broke and try to complete his mission for the Time Lords and alter the genetic make up of the Daleks aka Genesis of the Daleks.

SteviePenny
SteviePenny

The Eleventh Hour, Time of Angels / Flesh & Stone, The Hungry Earth / Cold Blood, Vincent & The Doctor, The Impossible Astronaut / Day Of The Moon, The Doctor's Wife, The Girl Who Waited, The God Complex, A Town Called Mercy, The Bells of Saint John.

They're my favourite from the Moffat era, as they're considered (to me) to be very good Doctor Who episodes. Also, I've just realised that there's 13 so if all of these episodes all came at once, it would be (or would have been) the greatest series of all time. I know you weren't asking, but I like answering questions like this.

supermoff
supermoff

It was a fantastic series, it really was, but I found it was nowhere near as good as Series 5 and 6. Still, opinions!

Amy is Hannibal
Amy is Hannibal

Oh well. Their loss. Can't force people to like it. Inevitably there will be those who think that Series 8 is the best ever, and then there will be those who don't, but I doubt that anybody's minds will change once they've decided. I spent a lot of time hating the Moff, and then I alternated and spend a lot of time hating Russell, and then one day I told myself, "You know, you may be taking this all a bit too seriously - how about we just sit down and enjoy it for what it is?" And while I do have a preference in which era I like better, that's really no different from anything else. But I'm learning to appreciate both at least. So really, if someone wants to hate Series 7 or whatever then they can go ahead; I'll just be over here watching the show as usual, completely satisfied with the fact that - "heeey, Doctor Who."


Antee991166
Antee991166

@Notsosmartguy sells propane and propaneaccessories @TomLong2  I don't hate Series 7, its better than Series 6 for me, but nowhere near as good as Series 5. My main problem with it was the blockbuster format which led to far too many rushed endings. The only story I really disliked was Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS. Apart from that, everything was 5+, with some stories being brilliant.

AztecsDaleksAndCavemen
AztecsDaleksAndCavemen

@TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 You'll find there will always be critics and fans of anything within the fandom. I'm not too keen on Matt Smith but I know he's popular. My favourite series 7 story was The Crimson Horror, but I know that it's got its fair share of criticism. To cap it all off, I think William Hartnell is best Doctor, but many place him near the bottom of their lists.

Just as the black guardian must exist where the white guardian must exist for balance in the universe, criticism must exist where praise exists for balance in the fandom.

robohappy
robohappy

@TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 The Lowest point was Time of the Doctor. How the Doctor beat the 13 regenerations limit was absolute garbage! (Magical Crack in the Sky!)

Bollyknickers
Bollyknickers

@TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 1) I think anyone who claims to judge 'objectively' based on conventional standards is either trolling or just plain arrogant, because that's such an idealistic mindset.

2) People are, however, entitled to their own opinions, and believe it or not, not everyone liked The Day of the Doctor.  If said person above hadn't written his point as gospel truth, it would have been more easily acceptable.


Amy is Hannibal
Amy is Hannibal

Sure, you could reduce it down to that in order to make it sound sillier than it actually is, but you could do that with any resolution (i.e. "thinking really hard turns the Doctor into Space Jesus in Series 3"). What it actually was was a perfectly reasonable answer that used continuity that had been established looong beforehand in "The Five Doctors". The crack itself had nothing more to do with how the Doctor got past the limit beyond it being the link between Gallifrey and Trenzalore.


TheOncomingSnow
TheOncomingSnow

@Ollie Walton Harrod @TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 No, actually. Because he brought up objectivity and criticism. When you do that and then say that it was DW's lowest point, you are wrong. Because the objective fact is that Day was a critical success whether he liked it or not.

Me and Stuff
Me and Stuff

@The Genie @TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 I think it was Chris from Radio Free Skaro who said something like: "I hate to be the guy to tell people they should stop watching, but if you didn't enjoy The Day of the Doctor as a Moffat script, then you can honestly ditch the series for the next few years, because it won't get any better than this."

theshipoftime
theshipoftime

@The Genie @TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 I was slightly underwhelmed with the Day of the Doctor when I saw it on the day at the official convention. It may have been because my expectations were so high but it is actually a very "talky" episode in which not much happens. Also Moffat should have included cameos from the other living "Classic" Doctors, no matter what opponents say. He managed to do it with Tom.

As to series 7 - it was very much a mixed bag when in it's 50th year it should have been solid hit after hit. I'm sure that is down to the fact Moffat was stretched and distracted by getting Sherlock ready for Xmas 2013 when he should have been focused on Who.

Seaborn W Deadman
Seaborn W Deadman

Some people just can't stomach black and white for some reason. I loooove Hartnell personally.


YaelMoise
YaelMoise

@Stradiwhovius @robohappy @TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 It's perfectly fair. He got rid of the cracks by preventing them. What the hell is one suddenly doing there? And since when do they lead to Gallifrey's pocket universe instead of to nothingness? It was lazy writing, that's all. And lazy writing that rather disrespects the viewers - "Oh, I need a hole through which to send the regenerations... I know!!! I'll use the crack, since they would easily recognize it! They're simple folk... they couldn't handle anything new".


robohappy
robohappy

@Amy is Hannibal If I was the showrunner, I would have squeezed one more regeneration out of Matt Smith since the 10th Doctor did not finish his first regeneration in Journey's End, and it could be used to explain why Capaldi is older since the Doctor ran out of regeneration energy to make his new body youthful. During the 12th Doctor's run, he finds and saves Gallifrey, but in the process he is mortally wounded. So as a gift of gratitude, the Time Lords save his life by giving him new regeneration. BAM! 13 regenerations solved! Thats how id do it.

theshipoftime
theshipoftime

@Me and Stuff @The Genie @TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2  I think a great actor like Capaldi is going to make Moffat's scripts work, when,sometimes they don't. Look at McGann in Night - he transformed that dialogue into something stunning which would have sounded trite delivered by Smith. 

Separate point, don't remember when fandom became a dictatorship, everyone has their own opinions and most have a genuine love of the show even when they don't like the approach taken.

The Outer Space K9
The Outer Space K9

Yeah, finally someone who agrees with me! Black and white has a very distinct charm to me, it makes the episodes look ancient and mysterious at the same time. Although I have to admit I haven't watched many Hartnell episodes, Troughton is my second favourite Doctor (after Matt Smith) and many of his stories are my all-time favourites.

IamTheDoctorBasicallyRun
IamTheDoctorBasicallyRun

@YaelMoise '' And since when do they lead to Gallifrey's pocket universe instead of to nothingness?''  In The Eleventh Hour happened the same thing but instead of the  Gallifrey's pocket universe it was the Prisoner Zeros cell. The cracks can also connect two different points in time and space. 




Stradiwhovius
Stradiwhovius

@YaelMoise @Stradiwhovius @robohappy @TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 The Crack in The Eleventh Hour led to Prisoner Zero. The Crack in Cold Blood allowed The Doctor to extract a piece of the TARDIS instead of instantly erasing him. They've never been consistent in their execution, and I don't see it as a problem that one of them is linked with Gallifrey. Why Gallifrey isn't a frozen cup-a-soup... That I can't explain. I think the episode does explicitly call this crack scar tissue rather than an actual crack, but I agree that it doesn't totally add up. Still less objectionable than the total lack of continuity with Name, IMO.

Amy is Hannibal
Amy is Hannibal

The Time Lords kept that crack open, and no, the Doctor didn't get rid of the cracks by preventing them. That misunderstands the sequence of events. The Doctor prevented the TARDIS explosion and the subsequent destruction of the universe as seen in "The Big Bang". The cracks were the aftermath of that explosion in the rebooted universe that remained active until the Doctor allowed himself to be erased by one, which close them up, save the one that the Time Lords had their foot in. They didn't "never happen" because they are referred to several times after "The Big Bang". Furthermore, it was established in the very first episode of Series 5 that some cracks acted as wormholes - they're cracks in time and in space, so some have temporal effects and some have spacial effects. The Saturnynians came to Earth through a crack just as Prisoner Zero had, and the Time Lords being able to cross through one is perfectly consistent with that.


YaelMoise
YaelMoise

@Ollie Walton Harrod @Me and Stuff @The Genie @TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 It is a matter of opinion. I for one am desperately trying to pretend that Time of the Doctor never happened... and not because Matt left, but simply because I hated it in every possible way. 


That said, and even with my love of Day of the Doctor, I would never call it "the best". 

btw, thanks for saying the Tom Baker scene shouldn't have happened. I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking that.

Amy is Hannibal
Amy is Hannibal

There's a difference between being inconsistent and having a variety of effects. The cracks, like the screwdriver, have a variety of effects. That's simply what they are. There is no reason to assume that they can or should behave in only one way. The Doctor was able to reach into the crack because he is a complicated space-time event, and so it would take longer to unravel him. And as for the cup-a-soup thing, the three Doctors in the Gallifrey Falls painting, as well as the Zygons, were shown to be able to move since they were consciously aware of being stasis-locked. At least some of the Time Lords were aware, so why couldn't they? Also, the crack in "Time" was a crack, just like any other. They were all "scar tissue."

YaelMoise
YaelMoise

@Stradiwhovius @YaelMoise @robohappy @TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 Well, less objectionable... doesn't mean that it's not objectionable. Seeing as how I didn't much like Name, either (except the scenes with Clara and the past Doctors. I'm a sucker for that sort of thing), I found a lack of continuity with it to be... umm... less objectionable. The crack and Clara's convincing of the Time Lord (they do NOT love him... they never have)... 

Look, over all, my main issue with Time is that it was not a two parter. I believe in my bones that it would have been a good episode if only it was spread out a bit. 

But it wasn't... so it was rubbish and I constantly find myself debating whether I hate it or The End of Time more. 

All in all, it could have been better.

Alex HN
Alex HN

@YaelMoise @Ollie Walton Harrod @Me and Stuff @The Genie @TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 I thoroughly enjoyed TDOTD, but I disagreed with some of the plotlines (I wish he had destroyed Gallifrey after all, but I understand that most disagree with me) and Tom Baker's cameo angered me. And TTOTD was awful in my opinion. I hate the way Eleven is made to seem more important than any other Doctor by living for so long. 

Stradiwhovius
Stradiwhovius

@YaelMoise @Stradiwhovius @robohappy @TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 My perspective on Clara's speech is that she didn't convince them at all. You're right, they don't love The Doctor but he does seem to be the only way they can safely rejoin the rest of the universe. So my interpretation is that they took Clara's speech as confirmation The Doctor was about to die and gave him the regenerations not out of love, but merely out of pragmatism. 

I agree it needed to be spread out a bit, but I don't think it needed to be a two parter. It just introduced too many unnecessary elements which bogged it down, like Christmas dinner, the Daleks taking over the mainframe, and Handles. If you excise all of those things, Time could have been a far more intimate, focused and driven story. As it stands, I agree it's total rubbish.

Notsosmartguy approves of female thor
Notsosmartguy approves of female thor

@Stradiwhovius @YaelMoise @robohappy @TheOncomingSnow @TomLong2 interesting way of looking at it I hated the end of time but I loved time of the doctor. I know it's weird but I think everything that didn't work in the end of time worked better in time of the doctor specifically the "doctor will die" thing because I actually the doctor could die (only to get a new body or something). But yeah the time lords definitely saved the doctor to save themselves.