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John Hussey prepares for the arrival of the new Doctor with some thoughts.

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With Series 8 fast approaching now, under two weeks to be precise, I thought I would share some final thoughts in anticipation of Peter Capaldi’s arrival.

One of the great things about a new Doctor is the excitement of seeing them adapt to the screen and the role. We witness them go through their regenerative trauma and how they battle their first baby-steps within their new body before tackling what kind of a man they have become.

In Capaldi’s case we’re given the impression that he will be dark, impatient, disregarding and extremely alien towards humanity and our traits and ways of thinking. This, in my case, is very exciting indeed. I find the Doctor is at his most interesting when he falls into an area which makes him more alien than usual. His strange quirks and habits mean nothing when it comes to him behaving like his enemy and making decisions that are not only questionable by his companion, but also by us the viewer.

A darker nature brings out interesting character developments not only for the Doctor himself but also to his companion. I think it will be interesting to see how Clara will cope with the Twelfth Doctor after her time spent with the childish and somewhat ridiculous Eleventh Doctor. His nature was more gentle and friendly but could prove to be erratic and questionable in both a good and bad way. With the Twelfth Doctor however he will become a more unapproachable person and may even prove to be somewhat unlikable within his characteristics. The part I find most interesting from clips we’ve seen is the fact that Clara questions him in a worrying way. This is most strange and discomforting to learn especially since, out of all the Doctor’s companions to date, she perhaps knows him the most. She has encountered all of his incarnations, including the War Doctor, and so for her to no longer understand this man is most unusual. It shows that the Twelfth Doctor will bring a lot of change to the characters dynamic in a way that even worries the Impossible Girl.

BBC News Series 8 Preview Featuring New ClipsThe Twelfth Doctor’s darker side was expressed in great detail through the clip of Episode 2 showcasing him describing his relationship with Clara. He told the other characters onscreen that she isn’t his assistant (a title given to the majority of companions before Clara) to which Clara answered ‘I’m his carer’. The Twelfth Doctor’s response was somewhat clear about his new character change by announcing her caring meant he didn’t have to. It can be debated that he meant that he didn’t have to care about himself as that was Clara’s job, but I feel it was more general in the meaning. I found it meant that he didn’t have to care about anything around him. This comes back to the claims that Clara would be made to feel more like Sherlock’s John Watson. She would have to pick up the pieces around the Doctor and in turn apologise for his inhuman and disregarding behaviour to those around him, just like with Sherlock Holmes. It serves as a massive contrast to the Doctor we’d come to love and understand throughout Moffat’s first part of his tenure. But at the end of the day this is a good thing. As much as I loved Matt Smith’s portrayal I’m completely in favour of the idea of a darker contrast to his more childish ways.

On to the stories we can expect. The tone of the episodes is down to the kind of Doctor in play. With the Twelfth Doctor being promoted as a darker character it’s fair to say that his stories will share in this change. That too is a blessing as I find the more serious stories to be among my favourites. Darker tones can prove entertaining in my books and allow for some really interesting plots to be devised and give the Doctor and his companion some real challenges and dilemmas.

This has been another promising factor by Steven Moffat in particular. His statements give us the idea that there shall be true consequences for the characters throughout the episodes. This means real danger and perhaps resolutions that will have the Twelfth Doctor make decisions that are questionable. Perhaps they’ll get the job done but to what end. Take the Eleventh Doctor’s solution of killing Solomon. Sure it saved the Ark, the Dinosaurs and his friends from being struck by missiles but it meant he had to commit cold-blooded murder that made him no better than Solomon. It’s that thin line between doing what’s right and what’s necessary. I reckon we can expect to see more Solomon-like incidences throughout Series Eight.

It would seem also we are receiving change within the format. Doctor Who has now been given a guaranteed spot in autumn which I find is the best time to show it. It gets darker and allows for more atmosphere which is good given the promised darkened vibe. There is also the strong possibility the show will draw in more viewers. After a few years of splits we finally now have an uninterrupted 12-episode run. My biggest hope in this move is that the episode lengths will be longer or at least vital episodes will be given extra time like the finale. It’s already apparent that the opener ‘Deep Breath’ will be feature length, given Capaldi a grand opening to his role. The whole cinema idea was a nice addition to promoting Capaldi’s first episode and I for one shall be participating in this special event. To me this shows that the BBC is taking great consideration over their prized possession and giving it the glory it deserves as a new era begins.

vastra-jenny-deep-breathMoving on to returning characters we have the Paternoster Gang coming back in ‘Deep Breath’ and Kate Stewart, Osgood and UNIT coming back in the finale. This will help with Capaldi’s first run by allowing him familiar faces to engage with who can help to define him and aid with the reactions of his new persona. Like with Clara, they are extensions of the audience who will ask the questions we want answering and challenge the Doctor in ways we want to do ourselves. Above all, it will bring further elements to the stories and allow their incorporations to the series to unfold further and allow the show itself in expanding its never- ending widening universe.

Last but not least, we have the question of what villains will the new Doctor be put against within his first run. This can help define the new Doctor and help with their growth in character and the way they think and act. With this in mind it’s always important on what approach is made. The best way, which has been demonstrated successfully throughout the course of the show, is pitting the new Doctor against a familiar foe. This usually results in the return of the Daleks. The Daleks are of course the Doctor’s greatest enemy. He despises them above all of the alien races he has encountered. They practically make his blood crawl and his anger to bubble to the surface and erupt in terrible ways. It only seems natural for their presence to be shown early on to make a point of surfacing the Doctor’s new characteristics. It’s also good to see how they’ll react and deal with them.

With the Twelfth Doctor I believe we will receive a sort of ‘Dalek’ approach and feel, with a dash of ‘Genesis of the Daleks’ and ‘Victory of the Daleks’. I expect him to be somewhat subtle and yet very menacing towards them, unleashing bold statements to show his hatred of them. But it is still hard to determine beyond that how he will react and deal with them. From what we’ve seen so far he hasn’t raised his voice. He’s appeared quite calm but at all times strong in his stance, showcasing wisdom and power. Something tells me though through watching his fantastic performance as Malcolm Tucker in The Thick of It he’ll certainly have a gob on him when provoked.

Of course we also have the confirmed return of the Cybermen who will appear during the two-part finale written by Steven Moffat. Again I expect a similar treatment when he tackles them. I feel the Twelfth Doctor won’t easily be budged or frightened. He will have a heart of steel and bring a terrifying presence to the role that just might make his enemies think carefully about how they approach him. In conclusion I believe all of these elements will come together to create a brand-spanking new era that will be marvelled upon. I’m certain my expectations will be met and even exceeded. I have continuous trust in Moffat’s capabilities and I believe Peter Capaldi is the right man for the role and will excel in his dream job. Onward to Chapter 2 of the Doctor’s adventures.

Step back in time...

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The Outer Space K9
The Outer Space K9

I just can't believe that there are only 2 weeks to go and then we'll have Doctor Who every Saturday untill November. Week after week of new episodes.

And everything I heard about the new series sounds amazing so I can't wait to see it.


floppy_who
floppy_who

A lot of expectations here. Best not expect- difficult to be disappointed that way!

;-)

Mercy Reborn2
Mercy Reborn2

I hope the finale will be great it might encourage other talented people to work for dw and hopefully the Cybermen will be great in it

StephenAHayes
StephenAHayes

No! Kate and Osgood back in the finale! Spoiler. I knew I shouldn't have read this article. I've been avoiding all spoilers!

Hopefully I'll forget... Where's the memory worm?

mrpaddy1984
mrpaddy1984

I can't wait for everyone to see Capaldi. He's fantastic.

Mercy Reborn2
Mercy Reborn2

Peter is in Sydney having fun, I think peter will be a great doctor and it will be very interesting to see how he will get on with Clara. I have heard the new doctor wont be easy to handle, maybe thats a good thing 



Reasonable Comfort
Reasonable Comfort

I agree wholly. Many people seem to dislike the concept of "Deep Breath" at the cinema, however, it is kindling for fans beginning to like Peter Capaldi. I like him already, but if you don't, you're bound to when he throws out an integral line and the whole room cheers. And for people (like me) who love the idea of capaldi as the Doctor, we get to experience his first ever full episode with cinematic proportions.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wouldn't The Eleventh Hour be brilliant at the cinema?






craig33
craig33

Feature length to me always meant 90 mins so I wish they'd stop calling it that. Extended lenght seems good

Liana21
Liana21

What I see from him, I liked it, he's looking more badass and probably Clara has to play the interpreter role between his alien bad manners and the humans around, and that could be a funny dynamic

Polyphase
Polyphase

I can't understand why they keep bringing back the Cybermen, They were poorly realised when they first returned with the stomping and "delete". Then Neil had a go at them, I thought that he might take them back to when they were scary but no he goes the other way and makes them pure robots removing any potential fear factor entirely. Then to top it off they are given on the spot upgrades. I wonder what the infatuation is?

Coffee and Chips
Coffee and Chips

@StephenAHayes  Atleast it's a nice spoiler if you didn't read the article DWTV featured a while back confirming their reappearance. Better than a bad spoiler that leaves a bitter taste on your tongue.

Silurian53
Silurian53

I bought a ticket to the cinema viewing and the running time says 103 minutes. If it's only 75 mins long that means theres 25 minutes worth of trailers before it...I don't think so, I think Deep Breath is going to be a little longer than we've been told.

Coffee and Chips
Coffee and Chips

@craig33  I think in Moffat's eyes, extended length would be 55-65 minutes ala Time. Deep Breath is 75 mins, like Day so it deserves the title of "feature-length" however inaccurate it may be.

LaraHarris
LaraHarris

@Polyphase Have to admit l liked the stompy "delete" version. It reminded me of being a kid and that feeling of relentlessness that they had. I agree about the next redesign however. I *hated* it and when a wooden cyberman appeared in Time I felt physically sick.

yolt13
yolt13

@Polyphase To begin with, one doesn't scrap one of the series' most iconic and beloved monsters because some fans aren't crazy about how they've been handled of late. Even if that "some" does constitute a majority (and I'm not entirely convinced that this is truly the case, despite the frequency with which comments like yours appear in online discussions), there are still a large number of fans who'd rather have the current Cybermen than no Cybermen at all. I number myself among those fans. Further, one doesn't spend a great deal of money commissioning and constructing new Cybermen costumes and then just let those costumes sit in the prop store and collect dust simply because some folks aren't overly enamored with the suits' design or the stories they've appeared in thus far. It's not infatuation; it's economics.

supermoff
supermoff

@Polyphase They'll keep bringing back as long as writers think that they have a good story for them, emphasis on think of course. What they think is good and we as viewers think is good is often completely different and is down to completely subjective aspects, but I'm sure a lot of people have liked the Cybermen stories we've had so far.

However, I don't think they've had a good run in the revived era at all, but I remain ever hopeful that some writer will give them the story they deserve, and I am optimistic that the Series 8 finale may finally be such a story. 

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

@yolt13 @Polyphase Alternatively, they shouldn't waste money on a poor design and give them a design that actually looks good. Seems to have worked well for the Daleks, and they wasted money on a redesign they don't even use anymore! XD

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

I absolutely agree with you that they haven't been good at all in the New Series. This has essentially been a chain of events that started with Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel, which is rather ironic, considering that an episode featuring alternate Universe Cybermen is the best of the New Series to feature a monster with the name of Cybermen. They essentially got progressively worse after that (with the exception of Closing Time. At least they tried that time), with Nightmare in Silver being the absolute worst.

I have low hopes for that finale in terms of the Cybermen. I meant, we had Nightmare before, with a shoddy cameo in Time of the Doctor that made them feel even more like robots. I'm certain Nick Briggs is the only one who can save them.

craig33
craig33

Precisely. 90 mins would have been epic.

supermoff
supermoff

@ Notsosmartguy the dalek of Jersey @supermoff  @Polyphase I'd give their best dedicated story as "Army of Ghosts" with a 7.50/10.00, and "Nightmare in Silver" as their worst with a 3.25/10.00. Though their cameo in "The Pandorica Opens" was their best performance in the revived era imo, and "Closing Time" was good too (6.50/10.00) :)




Sephora.IWishIWasScottish
Sephora.IWishIWasScottish

@ Notsosmartguy the dalek of Jersey @AztecsDaleksAndCavemen @supermoff  @Polyphase Am I the only one to be bored by parallel universe stories? Take Turn Left : it's a great episode. Fantastic really. But I still felt bored several times. It's parallel, why should I care? You know that at the end of the episode, everything is going to be fine. And most of the times, writers don't even know how to use them. That reality bomb in Journey's End is a plothole on its own. By the definition of parallel universes, there is one universe where the reality bomb detonates -> all universes should be destroyed. 

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

It's a great reintroduction, sure. It stops being entertaining when they merge with the real deal because they were too lazy to bring them back properly. That's a silly plot point and I refuse to believe it.

robohappy
robohappy

@supermoff  @ Notsosmartguy the dalek of Jersey @Polyphase Although I like Army of Ghosts too, what about The Age of Steel? I thought the Age of Steel was a great way to reboot the Cybermen, and I especially love the scene when the emotion chip of a cyberman broke and the doctor had to put it out of its misery! So sad!

Temporal Tomato
Temporal Tomato

I'm going to go ahead and say something controversial, but i believe it's the best one in the show's history, topping even Tomb of the Cybermen and my second favourite, the Tenth Planet.

AztecsDaleksAndCavemen
AztecsDaleksAndCavemen

@supermoff  @AztecsDaleksAndCavemen @Polyphase 

List time, guys

1. The Tomb of the Cybermen

2. The Invasion

3. The Tenth Planet

4. Earthshock

5. The Moonbase

6. Attack of the Cybermen

7. The Wheel in Space

8. Rise of the Cybermen /Age of Steel

9. Army of Ghosts/ Doomsday

10. Nightmare in Silver

11. Revenge of the Cybermen

12. The Next Doctor

13. Closing Time

14. Silver Nemesis


 

Temporal Tomato
Temporal Tomato

I remember being a terrified 8 year old seeing all of those Cybermen waking up in the tunnels beneath the factory. That entire episode  was scary, tense and exciting no matter how many times I watched it. The only episode I found scarier than AoS was The Empty Child, which I refused to watch until I was 9 or 10. For me, it's the ultimate Cyberman story, I was and still am incredibly frightened and fascinated by the general concept of them.


12th Doctor
12th Doctor

I can't put every Cyberman episode into my list as I haven't seen them all, but this is my list:

6.) The Invasion

5.) The Next Doctor

4.) Closing Time

3.) Nightmare in Silver

2.) Army of Ghosts/Doomsday

1.) Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel

Yes, I know what you're thinking. Oh he's obviously just a New-Who fan and doesn't like the classics. That's not true. I love the classics, Pertwee is my 2nd favourite Doctor and T. Baker is my 3rd fav. I watched The Invasion the other day and was highly disappointed. I expected a lot more from the 'legendary episode', and I was quite frankly bored.

craig33
craig33

I loved silver Nemesis. Although it takes the edge of them when you can kill them by catapulting a gold coin at them.

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

Damn, Nightmare in Silver above Silver Nemesis? Sheesh, Silver Nemesis is my least favourite Classic I own, but the Cybermen are certainly nothing to do with that episodes short comings. I'd love to know your opinion.

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

@Whovian2000 Ledgendary? The Invasion is considered legendary? This is the first I'm hearing of it. I'll have to agree with you though, The Invasion does take it's time to start rolling out the good stuff. It's still better than Silver Nemesis, and MILES better than Nightmare in Silver, so at least that gives The Invasion credit. That and it introducing the most iconic Cyberman look. I miss the bigger headed Cybermen, now it's all this modern and hip small heads.

floppy_who
floppy_who

@craig33 Try anything gold / gold plated from 1975 onwards. Even the Star Trek / Who crossover comic book has the 4th Doctor finishing off a Cyberman using gold from a TOS Enterprise communicator cover. 

AztecsDaleksAndCavemen
AztecsDaleksAndCavemen

@SonicTheHedgehogRules Regardless of how responsible the appearance of the Cybermen are for the quality of the episode, they deserved better, especially for a story broadcast on the 25th anniversary. I honestly don't see what's wrong with Nightmare in Silver. It's great. Okay, the acting was really really bad from almost everyone involved, but it was still an exciting and perfectly competent story.

Polyphase
Polyphase

@AztecsDaleksAndCavemen The Cybermen were rubbish. They were just CGI robots which is basically missing the the entire point of the CyberMEN. Also it had children in it, Doctor Who should never have child actors

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

Well, if only Season 27 came into production. The Cybermen story planned for that season sounded like a pure gem.

Honestly, I'm the opposite for Nightmare in Silver. The acting barely phases me over the way Neil Gaimen sensesly destroys the Cybermen, in which they become nothing but mere fodder to a ridiculous sentient Cyber Planner, who has emotions, something that shocks me to the bone. Their overpoweredness to just upgrade on a whim, their sudden decision to remove limbs on the fly, and then that ridiculous bullet time, as a hardcore Cyberman fan, it crushed my heart. Neil Gaimen just killed them for me. What was supposed to be a revival turned into an absolute mess of a story. For me, it's the 3rd worst from Series 7. I fear for the finale of Series 8, I really do.

Temporal Tomato
Temporal Tomato

The novel version of Illegal Alien is brilliant, it was only recently reprinted in fact.

NeutronFlow
NeutronFlow

@SonicTheHedgehogRules I was so surprised by Gaiman's depiction of the Cybermen in 'Nightmare in Silver'. 

Not being that aware of his non-Who stuff, i allowed myself to get drawn in by the hype about his abilities as a writer and consequently expected amazingness from him. 

How disappointed was i?

He is apparently a long-term fan!

If that is true then i guess he must have missed all the classic Cyberman stories, because his understanding of them is clearly nil.

'The Borg' were Star Trek's rip-off of the Cybermen, but written sufficiently differently to not be too closely compared. 

How ironic then, that Gaiman should turn the Cybermen into Borg? 

Why could he not have focused and expanded on that which used to make the Cybermen unique in the science fiction world? 

Nightmare in Silver? 

It should have been called 'Absolute Bloody Nightmare', because that's what it was for the Cybermen.

AztecsDaleksAndCavemen
AztecsDaleksAndCavemen

@SonicTheHedgehogRules The Cybermen are my favourite monster. The way I see it, Nightmare in Silver completely upgraded the Cybermen, making them a more effective unit than they had ever been. The Cybermen machines themselves contain the same principles they have always operated by. The Cyber planner is merely a tool.

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

I was meaning to go and get that. Should probably go get that and Shakedown, actually.

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

@NeutronFlow @SonicTheHedgehogRules And it's a nightmare I believe we'll never recover from. I've essentially lost hope for Cybermen to regain any previous spirit they had in the Classics. Do you know something really interesting though? There is an alternate Universe, in which Spare Parts was never written, and Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel was just Spare Parts for TV. At the cost of a really well written audio, I'd probably prefer to live in that world.

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

@AztecsDaleksAndCavemen @SonicTheHedgehogRules The Cybermen are my second favorite monsters, right behind Davros. I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I don't believe making them more efficient at the cost of removing everything that made them Cybermen is worth it. I also really love how you call them Cybermen machines! That's highlighting a point I've made many times before, which was the Cybermen of the New Series are more like robots than anything! If they start removing heads and hands, who says they won't pull a C-3PO in Empire Strikes Back? Nightmare in Silver is the defining episode of how Cybermen in the New Series have nothing inside them. If they did, they would most certainly be gushing pools of blood (or at the very least, white foam from Tomb of the Cybermen, or that green blood thing from Attack of the Cybermen). What's the point of having a monster than can simply say "Upgrade in Progress" to remove it's weakness? It kills plot dilemmas featuring them. At the moment, Cybermen are the Superman of Doctor Who. It's so overpowered I can imagine people struggling to think of something genius including them. It still baffles me how Neil Gaimen goes from a gem like The Doctor's Wife to this burst piece of Rassilon's toast.

AztecsDaleksAndCavemen
AztecsDaleksAndCavemen

@SonicTheHedgehogRules @AztecsDaleksAndCavemen Calling them a machine highlights what made them even scarier in the first place because they've become so far removed from their human source that they are just robots bound by flesh under metal. A good analogy would be how many modern style skyscrapers are being built in historic areas of London until the entire city starts to look like a business initiative thus losing the heart that made it what it is. Even in the recent design, they wanted to return to a more human looking face to highlight how cybernetic they've become as oppose to the RTD era design, which looked more like a canine or something.

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

@AztecsDaleksAndCavemen @SonicTheHedgehogRules What's the point of being a robot that needs flesh? That doesn't make any sense. Cybermen wish to save people from emotions like pain, loss, suffering. Turning them into near robots defeats the point of Cybermen to begin with. It makes them terribly unscary and rather generic if they turn into robots. Might aswell rename them and make them run around screaming Delete and Upgrade at the top of their monotone speechboxes. Oh, wait, they pretty much do that already, don't they? I will accept the fact that, in a realistic point of view, yeah. Cybermen that can upgrade on a whim is very interesting, but for the sake of a plot in a story, it's terrible. I'm not really seeing the human face if you ask me. It looks much more bland and uninteresting, which is a huge contrast to the body design. Are the Cybermen reading Iron Man comic books? What happened to good old chest panels? Flashing buttons and lights all over, it's more interesting than an Iron Man core, or, better yet, a stupid corporate brand logo.

AztecsDaleksAndCavemen
AztecsDaleksAndCavemen

@SonicTheHedgehogRules @AztecsDaleksAndCavemen What are you trying to say? You don't see the point of a robot using flesh but you don't want to see them turned into near robots? Is it that I'm using the term flesh as oppose to 'human parts'? Because in terms of the original creative concept posited in The Tenth Planet, it's simply that Cybermen are humans who have been changed and preserved using machinery. In terms of the logic of the Cybermen within the programme, yes it would make more sense to not include 'human flesh', but if you don't like it either way, what are you suggesting as a compromise?

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

@AztecsDaleksAndCavemen @SonicTheHedgehogRules I should probably clear up my point. Cybermen should be at a mid-point between robotic and humanity. They don't act robotic, but neither do they act human. Logical, emotionless, cold. The voice should be the main opening to this realization, think of it as a doorway to a nightmare. No stomping, no computer phrases, no removing of a weakness with the snap of a finger, no removing limbs. There's a fantastic cross-section image of a Tomb Cyberman that shows you what a Cyberman of the New Series should, by all accounts, be. I suppose to better understand by point, you should go check out Real Time by Big Finish, and the Doctor Who Anime, by Okaking. Both of these are what I persevere to be Cybermen. Too bad they're violent, that's pretty much the only way you can do Cybermen properly anyway.

They're all my favorite Doctor
They're all my favorite Doctor

@SonicTheHedgehogRules @AztecsDaleksAndCavemen I have Cyberman thoughts, but I'm not sure they're the same as what they were when I started reading this discussion.  Man. I need to think. Debates like this are what drew me to joining the comments section on here. This is what DWTV is about! Thanks, y'all! *goes away to ponder nerdy thoughts about Cybermen*

SonicTheHedgehogRules
SonicTheHedgehogRules

Debates and discussions are just amazing. Everyone gets their point in and we can all discuss it in major detail!