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Capaldi’s Hint On Past Whoniverse Appearances

Peter-Capaldi-doctor-whoPeter Capaldi has offered an intriguing hint on his past Whoniverse appearances.

Speaking on radio station Triple J he said: “The full answer is not there, but the question is certainly addressed.

He adds: “It’s something that you’ll discover. The Doctor is always influenced in his regenerations by things that are around him.

“But you also have to question who that character was in Pompeii. Perhaps he was not who he said he was…”

Step back in time...

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TheAnonymousWriter
TheAnonymousWriter

My theory on the Doctor's current incarnation. Warning, major spoilers for Nu-Who and possibly Torchwood. The tone of 'The Fires of Pompeii' fits with the lingering question in series 8; "am I a good man?" The Doctor knew that Pompeii was going to be destroyed, it's a fixed point in time and therefore cannot be changed; however, he finds out that by staying and stopping the alien threat, he's the one that destroys Pompeii and that he has no choice but to in order to save the world. "That's the choice, Donna. It's Pompeii or the world." Although he leaves a wake of death behind him, it's for the greater good. But despite the destruction, he saves Caecilius and his family. I believe this is why he regenerated with Caecilius' face, even though he may not remember it, every time he looks in the mirror it's proof that he is indeed a good man. As for John Frobisher, I don't believe he's connected to the Doctor, but you can recall Bridget Spears telling Lois to remember that "John Frobisher was a good man." I'll end with the 12th Doctor's quote in 'Deep Breath', "Why did I choose this face? It's like I'm trying to tell myself something."


IsabellaGreenan
IsabellaGreenan

It's hilarious that what started as an in-joke about the Cambridge Latin Course text books (Caecilius and his family in Pompeii are the characters in the exercises) has evolved into this potentially huge cross-temporal conspiracy... :P

Iceman2469
Iceman2469

In fires of Pompeii, at the very end he it's holding and looking at fob watch. Only reason anyone would have it is if they used a chameleon arc.

Petrichore050
Petrichore050

Thing is... In Frobishers final moments on torchwood his secretary does keep repeating "he is a good man" and in Fires of Pompeii Caecilius was the big tipping point in the episode in which made the doctor do the right thing and in doing so being a good man ... So these things could link into Capaldi's doctor questioning if he is a good man possibly

jackrudrum
jackrudrum

Camelia arc? Most obvious although freshener shoots himself and kids so... I guess it can't be that :/

CallidusViro
CallidusViro

In NotD, when Clara walked into the doctor's time stream, she split herself all across the doctor's time stream. When the doctor entered to save her, couldn't he have also been split across his own time stream as different people as Clara was?

TARDlSkey
TARDlSkey

I can guarantee the resolution will not be the Doctor undercover in Pompeii kind of theory. Because RTD's original solution was only created to explain how Caecelius and Frobisher looked alike. Moffat was te one who added Twelve to the equation and he had to ask RTD if it would still work should he do so.

So no, the Doctor isn't Caecelius, nor is he Frobisher. They're their own person.

Richy Woo
Richy Woo

"I never forget a face....." , " I know you don't, and in years to come you might find yourself revisiting a few, just the old favourites.".  Thats pretty much all the explanation i need, sometime in the future near the end of his days, The Doctor maybe get's chance to "retire" and actually become a citizen of time rather than times champion.


theuntaintedchild
theuntaintedchild

What if Caecillius and the dude from Torchwood are the same person. Like Maybe by saving someone who was supposed to die causes that person to become Immortal (Like Jack Harkness). I know it doesn't explain why he's suddenly The Doctor now too. But it's a cool idea to explain the first two appearances. 


GRANDMARSHALL
GRANDMARSHALL

Why was caecillius attracted so much to the Tardis that he actually Purchased it from a Vendor? Perhaps A subconscience attraction? Maybe The future Doctor Made himself human in Pompeii running from something once again and turned himself human and once again had forgotten he was the Doctor ? Well I dont know !Maybe wwe will find out 2 years from now Look it, Moffet doesnt know the answer and when he feels he has thought of something clever Then he will write it . My speculation is too easy for Moffet and not clever enough, As it was used Already For the master episode and the tennant episode . But having said that it really fits! I think?

EdWhovian
EdWhovian

Ah, the Doctor speaking to the Doctor!

Mercy Reborn2
Mercy Reborn2

I hope they dont tell us I think it would spoil that episode 

Nitenel
Nitenel

Obviously it's the teselecta

madbuk
madbuk

"The full answer is not there" Getting pretty sick of this by now Moffat.





ChristopherStutzman
ChristopherStutzman

What if the Pompeii character was... his father? We've possibly seen his mother already, at the near return of the Time Lords. Maybe some familiar attributes shared with his father happens with his first version (if this is a true new regeneration set)...??

Planet of the Deaf
Planet of the Deaf

Incidentally, that interview is well worth listening too, actually most of the Australian interviews have been good as they know the show so well!

JFrance
JFrance

It looks like some of Moffat's trolling has rubbed on to Capaldi.    


JacobHaggerty
JacobHaggerty

I always thought it would have something to do with the short-lived fissure caused by the eruption of Vesuvius...

pyroclasticflow
pyroclasticflow

I wouldn't mind that kind of twist at all... Caecilius secretly being the Doctor in hiding as a human. At the same time, I also don't mind this issue not being addressed. As I've said in another thread, Romana was able to regenerate into the appearance of a previous character so I don't feel this nagging need for Moffat to explain the situation to me.

mwanderson
mwanderson

What if… what if… we get an adversary every bit as cunning as the Doctor… and what if that individual is the Master… and what if he wears the same face as the Doctor! Now wouldn't that make for an interesting season where we wouldn't know until the finale that the Master now looks like the Doctor and is causing all sorts of mayhem in the name (well, face) of the Doctor.

A Friend of the Ood
A Friend of the Ood

@jackrudrum I don't think they'll ever use the chameleon arch again, especially not for this. It's too obvious. Also, RTD originally planned it for Caecilius and Frobisher and they wouldn't have the chameleon arch.

Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!
Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!

Well, even if he could (which he couldn't; he was immune to the scattering effect which was how he was able to go in and retrieve Clara in the first place), then we would have thousands of Eleventh Doctors running around. There's no reason to think that it would scatter a face that never existed in that timeline. Plus, the explanation for Caecilius was developed back in 2009 simply for the purpose of connecting him to Frobisher, so it isn't going to be inherently tied to things such as the Doctor, Time Lords, or Trenzalore.


purplependulum
purplependulum

@Richy Woo I like that idea!  It would be great if they bump into each other in the future in posts that are a bit of a retirement?  Remember 11 wanting to be a beekeeper?  


I do remember in "Deep Breath" when Capaldi was with the vagrant, looking in the mirror, he said the face looked a bit "familiar", but he couldn't place where.  Had to be from Pompei?  I also loved the Cross eyebrows business!

Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!
Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!

"Look it, Moffet doesnt know the answer and when he feels he has thought of something clever Then he will write it ." -This wasn't Moffat's idea, though. He has said that he borrowed this idea from RTD.


TARDlSkey
TARDlSkey

People say they don't want an answer, others say they do. We get half an answer, satisfying both parties, but even that's not could enough.

...geez.

pyroclasticflow
pyroclasticflow

@mwanderson I would much prefer that being the case rather than the next incarnation of the Master being played by some big Hollywood name as has been speculated (unless the actor is Cillian Murphy, whom some people have brought up for reasons I'm not familiar with).

TARDlSkey
TARDlSkey

Indeed he did. But the Doctor still wasn't part of the theory to begin with.

TheIdleIdol
TheIdleIdol

Half an answer doesn't satisfy anyone. If you don't think it should be explained, then seeing it given any sort of explanation will leave you dissatisfied. If you do think it should be explained, then an ambiguous half-answer that keeps you guessing will leave you dissatisfied. It's the only solution that's guaranteed to aggravate both parties, not appease them. If you asked me the time, and I told you it's "quarter past something", would that be enough for you?

oversight68
oversight68

@TARDlSkey When they finally do address it, some will be cool with it, some will be indifferent, while others will pitch a hysterical bitch fit ranting at how bad Moffat is as showrunner. Such is how the online world turns.

TARDlSkey
TARDlSkey

Good* blame the autocorrect.

Hoorn
Hoorn

@TARDlSkey We don't know whether he was. Moffat himself didn't know the theory before Capaldi was casted. RTD has never cared to put the theory out as well, which means he could have been waiting till Capaldi was the Doctor.

Bojurie
Bojurie

Why does everyone want an answer to a show that is fundamentally a question? By being ambiguous you leave an infinite amount of potential which is really what doctor who is all about.

pyroclasticflow
pyroclasticflow

@They're all my favorite Doctor Yes, but I've read that BBC decided to go with an actor who isn't well-known instead. I just have no idea at this point - lots of speculation but nothing is for sure. I would personally love to see Cillian Murphy in that role.

TARDlSkey
TARDlSkey

Moffat has said, he phoned Russell up, asked of the theory still worked and whether it was still work with Capaldi as the Doctor or not. Russell confirmed. Therefore, the Doctor wasn't part of the theory to begin with.

madbuk
madbuk

@Bojurie Because without full answers, we'll never know if we're right. I don't enjoy believing in something that I don't even know is the truth.

Hoorn
Hoorn

@TARDlSkey You don't know that. Moffat had indeed said that. Exactly that. But Moffat would not have known whether RTD's theory included the Doctor to begin with. So when he asked "Does it work with Capaldi as the Doctor?", he would have genuinely not have known it. If RTD answers 'Yes', Moffat would say to us "Yes, RTD confirmed it still works with Capaldi as the Doctor", he would not say "Oh, but the Doctor was part of it to begin with."

Bojurie
Bojurie

Who says that you have to believe in it though. That's the beauty of not knowing the full story it means that any opinion is valid even if you don't have one. I kinda wish this wasn't put in the series just because I know they will be a bunch of fans moaning about it and I'm really tired of people not respecting other opinions. I understand what your getting at and I respect what you have to say even if I don't fully agree with it. And just because I have a different opinion to you doesn't mean I will be horrible to you because of it. And that is why I kinda have a open opinion on this matter I'm neither here nor there with it. But is still believe Moffat is doing this to keep everyone on their toes whether that's good or bad only time will tell...

I hope I didn't offend you in any way

Sincerely,

Your friendly neighbourhood timelord

pyroclasticflow
pyroclasticflow

@They're all my favorite Doctor Yeah exactly. I guess we won't know until the actual episode or perhaps right before it. This is what I get for scouring the Internet - I've already gotten my hopes up that it'll be Cillian Murphy even though that's very unlikely.

Hoorn
Hoorn

@TARDlSkey Yes, you sigh. You're reading in a quote of Moffat that says exactly nothing. Either option is still possible. Moffat has always been very careful not to disclose any information at all; hell, he even lies.

TARDlSkey
TARDlSkey

I sigh because you're misquoting to get the advantage. I can see there's no point in trying to explain my point therefore, nevermind.