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Across the next couple of months Doctor Who TV is running a series of polls to celebrate Matt Smith’s era. We want you to cast your votes on every story and at the end we’ll be comprising a list to find the top scoring.

We conclude with Smith’s final episode, The Time of the Doctor. All you have to do is rate the story with your score out of 10, so get voting.

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MeglosProductions
MeglosProductions

10/10 10/10 10/10, easily!!!!!! Managed to tie up all the loose ends and story arcs of the Moffat era, gave us a thrilling, well-written story and gave us the best regeneration. Easily 10/10.

DW_girl
DW_girl

8/10. This was a strange one to say the least. The pacing was all over the place at points, and it was rushed. I think Moffat struggled to resolve a 3-series long story arc in just one hour, and pull it off too. I also have problems with the annoying character of Tasha Lem, and a couple of the plot contradictions which are scattered throughout the episode. Mainly this is due to the 'change the future' thing with Eleven's apparant death on Trenzalore. However, these negatives only bring the episode down by 2 points. I give it an 8 because it was just a beautifully written story. The characterisation of the Doctor and Clara is excellent, and I loved it how their friendship was ultimately put to the test, which made it stronger than ever. The prophecy told by Dorium, the crack in time and the return of the Time Lords all matched perfectly within the episode's story-telling, making The Doctor Trilogy flow consistently. Eleven was his humorous and childish self at the start of the episode, and this only made his impending doom more upsetting. I would be lying if I didn't say I cried at the end of this episode. When Clara pulls the christmas cracker with the aged Doctor and reads the poem, my heart just breaks. The resolution as to how he escapes the regeneration limit was slightly rushed and unexplained, but it was nice to see Clara save the day again. The pre-regeneration scene with the illusion of Amy, Eleven's last words, Clara's "Please don't change" line, and the 'Long Song' playing in the background 'made' the episode at the end of it all. And when Twelve arrived on screen in a very spontaneous quick regeneration, speaking scottish and claiming that he didn't know how to fly the TARDIS, I just knew the show was going to be in safe hands...

DawnTime
DawnTime

9 - I would really recommend you watch this episode 2 to 3 times or more, as when me and hubby first watched it we looked at each other and thought NO not my cup of tea.  However after watching a couple more time's it really grew on us and really like it know so one of those eps which require a bit more thoughtful introspection. Give it a second chance

TheNightmareChild sees into your soul!
TheNightmareChild sees into your soul!

If this episode was allowed to be even 20 minutes longer to better explain certain elements, it would've helped immensely.  For instance, in the Day of the Doctor, it is explained that the three Doctors save Gallifrey by having it and its inhabitants "frozen in an instant of time" and hidden away in a parallel pocket universe until someone, i.e. the Doctor, retrieves them from that pocket universe.  Why/How then are the Time Lords able to 1) send a message through the tear in the fabric of reality, and 2) send him more regeneration energy to save him?  The only thing I can think of that comes close to making sense is that they anticipated that these things would probably need to happen before the Doctor could bring them back, so they actually sent out the message and the regeneration energy shortly before they were hidden away and they both reached the right place at the right time because "timey wimey".  And I am not even really satisfied with that idea either.  In fact, I personally don't care for the idea that the Time Lords can just give out regeneration energy all willy-nilly like that with Time Lord magic.  I know it's, like, established lore or whatever, but I don't care, I just am not a fan of that idea.  It makes the whole concept of regeneration feel less special.  I always assumed that regeneration was just intrinsically a part of a Time Lord's biology, just like the Weeping Angels' quantum lock.  Before I watched the episode I was really excited to find out how the Doctor would regenerate: what surprising but secretly established explanation they would provide for why the Doctor was able to make it out of this last adventure with a new face, especially considering where this adventure is taking place!  What we got instead was Moffat writing himself out of a hole with something that is both underwhelming and non-sensical.  Also, I'm sure plenty of people are going to be talking about this, but what was with the nakedness?  I mean, at first it didn't bother me, I was just kinda' like "Well, it's a space church.  Of course it'll have rules and traditions that I'll find weird", but the more I sat on it, the more I feel like it is a wholly unnecessary and just plain uncomfortable plot element.  It adds literally nothing to the story other than making me feel bad for Clara because of how uncomfortable she must have been.  In fact, I feel a little bad for Clara anyway because she had next to nil to do in this story at all.  The only significant thing she actually does is indirectly "save" the Doctor by pleading with the Time Lords, and its not even clear that that had anything to do with it.  I guess she did also tell everyone to run inside to save themselves while the Doctor was blowing up a Dalek ship with his regeneration energy, so there's that.  Oh yeah, the villains.  Why did every villain ever have to show up for this special?  That didn't make the story feel any huger or more tense, that just makes me wonder why all of these villains are taking turns going after the Doctor when they can easily destroy the whole planet if they all attacked at once.  Okay, that's enough complaining.  Now onto the stuff that I liked: the performances, as I'm sure everyone has already stated by now, were generally very good, with Matt Smith in particular probably giving his best that he's ever given as the Doctor.  The visual effects were impressive as well.  Matt Smith's old age make-up the second time Clara returns to Trenzalore was pretty good as well.  I liked the beginning when it was just the Doctor sort of mucking around and getting caught up in mischief, that was pretty entertaining.  I liked that Moffat wrote this episode as simply an episode of Doctor Who that happens to take place during Christmas like he did with The Snowmen.  In terms of Doctor Who christmas specials I prefer that over the sort of "Holiday TV Movie with The Doctor" kind of specials that he did with A Christmas Carol and TDTWATW (just one of the reasons why I feel like A Christmas Carol is one of the most overrated episodes of Doctor Who ever).  And of course, I liked the ending in the TARDIS.  The Doctor's speech just before he regenerated was well written and moving, and excellently performed by Matt Smith.  I didn't mind Karen Gillan being there either, I understand why she was written in and I thought it worked fine.  I don't generally cry during movies or TV or anything, but I have to admit, I got a knot in my throat when that bow tie came off.  It didn't feel completely real until that moment, and then the finality of it landing on the TARDIS floor was deafening.  And then we come to arguably the most controversial part of the whole episode, which was the final transition from Matt Smith to Peter Capaldi.  We have the camp that finds it disappointing and weird that it happened so fast, and then there is the camp that I'm in that loved it.  I think, for one, the lengthy, dramatic face morph transition with energy exploding out of the arms and neck was getting a little old, so it's good that they tried something even a little different at all.  Second, this was one of the most emotional farewells a Doctor has ever had, and the snap regeneration, at least to me, served its intended purpose of catching us off guard so we could stop focusing on mourning the loss of eleven (thirteen?) and instead focus on getting excited for twelve (fourteen?).  So overall, I give this episode a 7/10.  And that is me being pretty generous with my rating all things considered because, in spite of all of its flaws, against my better judgment, I still really like this episode.  It struck just the right chord with me I guess, where I enjoyed this episode massively even in the face of inconsistencies and just plain non-sensicality (that's a word now) that would normally annoy the poop out of me.  Judge me if you wish, but that is my final word on this episode.


geronimon
geronimon

I love Matt, and I love how he portraits his role as the Doctor, and that's why I think this episode doesn't make justice to these three years of character development. The eleventh Doctor is degraded into a simple plain character, used to make nfsw jokes that aren't funny at all. Along with Clara, both are victims of a major character degeneration that hasn't ever seen in all Doctor Who history (to be 1963, Doctor Who carried strong feminist values in comparison with other shows of its time). 


The plot is barely clear, just a bunch of scenes and a pretty quotes that don't save the story at the end. The plot devices as the crack in the wall, the Christmas town or the truth field are not very well used: The crack seems to be a last addition to the final idea to make the movement seem more clever than it is; the town's name is completely irrelevant during the story; and despite the Prophecy said that nobody could fail answer, they finally do it anyway. The story itself creates a monstrous paradox that is completely ignored and that acts like a chart for inexplicable events. What's more, Clara is completely useless during this episode - Time Lords were giving the regeneration pack to the Doctor anyway, because that were the only chance they had to escape from the bubble where they were trapped. God Complex room scene is completely ruined in order to give explanation to a vague weak plot, instead to leave it in complete mystery and free interpretation for the watcher, as the writer of the episode The God Complex desired. 

And we are not talking about all the misogynistic connotations that appears over the progression of the episode. The nudity in general, the sexual assault to Tasha Lem and the Doctor's commentary after his controversial actions, doesn't help to the image of Moffat. And despite of all those cute scenes, for instance that picture of the Doctor playing with the children, or when they open the cracker, or the Classic Who references, or the final speech of the Doctor in the TARDIS (scenes that I really enjoyed), The Time of the Doctor closes as a simple and awful story that will never represent the Eleventh Doctor era.

The Moment
The Moment

10/10 for me. A fantastic episode and a nice full stop to Matt Smith's doctor. 

Mati C
Mati C

5/10 I really didn't like this episode, only the last scene, and Matt's performance.

NumberNine
NumberNine

This episode fell flat for me. In my opinion, the regeneration is the only reason it wasn't the worst Matt Smith era episode. Matt's performance was superb in his final hour, but the story was convoluted and had no real pay off. They seemed to forget the rest of the episode happened once the regeneration hit. For me, 5/10 -- for Matt's sake. Capaldi was wonderful too.

YourSpacialHatness
YourSpacialHatness

7/10 - The plot was rubbish in my opinion but that regneration build up... WOW.

StephenCoppins
StephenCoppins

I must confess, this one took me a couple of viewing to fully appreciate the subtle complexities of this story.  But they are well worth re-watching.


Not that there is ever a good way to loose a Doctor, but in this case I thought it was an entirely appropriate way for the Eleventh (Thirteenth) Doctor to depart.


...And allow the future show runners of 2023, 2033, 2043, 2053, 2063 and possibly even 2073 to bring Matt Smith back to reprise his role as the Eleventh Doctor without all that pesky, "But he doesn't look like he used to in the 2010s."   Bravo, Steven Moffat!


I personally think Matt should have done at least one more series, but when ya gotta go...  Thank you Mr. Smith, you were a truly wonderful Doctor!  See you in 2023!

EdWhovian
EdWhovian

I LOVED the Matt Smith era. 11th Hour, Vincent, Pandorica/ Big Bang, Chtistmas Carol, Doctor's Wife, Lodger/ Closing Time, Asylum, Snowmen, Bells, Name/ Day of the Doctor are all Nine or Ten out of Tens for me. So you can imagine how disappointed I was that I HATED Time of the Doctor. Matt deserved a better farewell than this mess of an episode. 4/10

No More
No More

would have given 12/10, if not for the pacing being bit too fast. too many moments where any one of them would make a single episode a 10. an 11.5/10 for me. 


Oncoming_Badger
Oncoming_Badger

Final round-up!

The Eleventh Hour - 10/10

The Beast Below - 9/10

Victory of the Daleks - 8/10

Time of Angels/Flesh & Stone - 10/10

The Vampires of Venice - 4/10

Amy's Choice - 7/10

The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood - 6/10

Vincent and the Doctor - 9/10

The Lodger - 4/10

The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang - 9/10

A Christmas Carol - 9/10

The impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon - 8/10

The Curse of the Black Spot - 8/10

The Doctors Wife - 9/10

The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People - 8/10

A Good Man Goes to War - 6/10

Let's Kill Hitler - 2/10

Night Terrors - 2/10

The Girl Who Waited - 6/10

The God Complex - 9/10

Closing Time - 2/10

The Wedding of River Song - 3/10

The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe - 4/10

Asylum of the Daleks - 8/10

Dinosaurs on a Spaceship - 2/10

A Town Called Mercy - 7/10

The Power of Three - 7/10

The Angels Take Manhattan - 10/10

The Snowmen - 9/10

The Bells of Saint John - 4/10

The Rings of Akhaten - 7/10

Cold War - 8/10

Hide - 7/10

Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS - 10/10

The Crimson Horror - 6/10

Nightmare in Silver - 7/10

The Name of the Doctor - 7/10

The Day of the Doctor - 9/10

The Time of the Doctor - 9/10

commanderthunderushmkii
commanderthunderushmkii

10/10, of course! The farewell speech was my favourite part, even if it was tear-jerking, and even if Matt got teary-eyed in the script read through. "I will always remember when the Doctor was me." We will too, Matt. Now let's rate Eleven's mini-sodes and the games for good measure.







pinkjaguar12
pinkjaguar12

10/10 - Let's just say that this episode was so good and left me with so many emotions that I can't even bring myself to watch it again quite yet.  I'm still clinging to the hope that Eleven is behind that TARDIS door, and I can't stand to see him go.  As we watched his youthful facade fade into nothingness throughout this episode, it absolutely broke my heart.  We had a great run, Matt.  Thanks for everything :D

Amy is Hannibal
Amy is Hannibal

10/10 - I can't believe we're already at the end! Where does the time go. Anyway, this story, in my honest opinion, is a truly perfect celebration of everything that the Eleventh Doctor is. He's funny and awkward and zany, and this episode has that. He's dark and clever and manipulative, and this episode has that. He loves children, and children love him, and this episode has that. He always does whatever he can to save as many as he can, and this episode has that. I don't think any actor could hope to have their character be given a better tribute. And reinforcing that tribute is the manner in which this episode puts the Doctor in a situation wherein he can't rely on any of his usual tools and tricks. As we saw in "The Power of Three", Eleven can barely sit still for five minutes. But here, he's stuck and he can't go anywhere. He has to stay and fight. He also can't just hop in his TARDIS and pull out some timey-wimey fix, since he's seen his future and knows how this battle ends. And "Rule One" is rendered meaningless; he can't lie within a truth field. His well-known youthful exterior also fades, and his age catches up with him. This time, he really does have "no plan, no backup, no weapons worth a damn." It's just him, nobly defending one little town that was unfortunately caught up in a much larger conflict, and it's ultimately his fault. But even in the face of death, he keeps going. He keeps fighting and holding off the enemies and fixing children's toys along the way, just because it's the right thing to do, and because he wants there to be peace. And THAT is the Doctor. From beginning to end, always the Doctor.

I really could go on and on about everything I love about this episode, so to keep things concise, I'll just list the things that stood out most:

- Clara was spectacular in this episode. I liked seeing her family life, and Jenna's performance throughout the episode was second only to Matt's, which says a lot considering how little time Jenna has been in the role. And in the end, she is the one to answer the "oldest question in the universe"! What a twist! :)

- Handles. Never before would I have thought myself capable of crying for a Cyberhead, but... wow. It's a shame that we only got to see him for one episode; I really came to like him, and Novak's deadpan delivery was hilarious.

- Tasha. Orla Brady really blew me away. I wasn't particularly interested in Tasha coming into the episode, but it turns out, I loved her! I know a lot of people compare her to River, but personally, aside from the flirting, I don't really see it. River was far more fluid and anti-establishment but also more the Doctor's equal. Tasha was rigid, authoritative, and assertive. She was far from the flirty wife that River was and was more like an exhausted parent when it came to the Doctor.

- The double-whammy of Handles' death and Clara and the Doctor discussing his regeneration limit atop the clock tower as the sun came up. This scene was... a work of art. I could watch it a million times and it would never seem any less poignant and beautiful and heartbreaking.

- The scene set to "Four Knocks", where the Doctor is too frail to open the cracker... no, moving on, I'm actually tearing up at the thought of it.

- The symmetry in the plot, and the arc resolutions. The Silents are genetically engineered priests? Genius. The Kovarian chapter was a splinter faction that twisted their religion's peaceful message into a call for someone's head? It makes perfect sense. The return of the crack and the twist about the Time Lords calling out through it with the Question was a brilliant twist, and an excellent follow-up to the seeds that had been planted previously. But moreover, this story just fits so well in terms of timing. The end of the fiftieth year, on the Doctor's last life, at the site of the Doctor's death, and at the very battle that actually starts Eleven's entire story. It's all a perfectly symmetrical circle, and I love it.

- The regeneration. Starting with that wonderful, epic speech atop the clock tower (yeah the regeneration nuke was silly but whatever, the moment had me way too amped up to care) and ending with yet another wonderful, epic, poignant speech in the TARDIS, it just encapsulates everything that the Doctor should be when he regenerates. Mournful, but forward-looking and assuring to both the companion and the audience. The only aspect of it that I didn't care for was Amy's appearance, but I understand why it was done and I am content.


In short, Moff's a genius, Matt's brilliant, Jenna's brilliant, and this story is a masterpiece. Easily one of my top three.

- Oh, and never in a gazillion years did I think that they would actually write in the wig! :OO






Galactic Yo Yo
Galactic Yo Yo

The first time I watched this, I was thrown because it really wasn't what I expected, but every time I watch it, I like it more and more, to the point where I give it a 9/10. Though it might go up to 10/10 when I watch it again.


Rani Nose
Rani Nose

I thought The Time of the Doctor was great but weird.  



In Name... the Doctor starts to understand he has to face his past.  In Day...  he is forced to deal with his history.  In Time... the Doctor stops running from who he is and comes to peace with himself.  By far the best bit of sustained storytelling in the Moffat era. 

But Time... is weird.  One earlier story it directly addresses is the Doctor's impatience in The Power of Three.  In TPoT sitting around for a day is nearly torture for the Doctor, and he stays with the Ponds for a year.  In Time... he is okay with sitting around, carving children's toys, for hundreds of years.   As an aside, one complaint people bring up about the Eleventh Doctor is his childishness, but there is relatively little of that in these final three episodes.

Another bit of weirdness:  Except for the Cybermen, the major baddies of Time..., Daleks, Weeping Angels and the Silents, are all from Amy's era.  Modern Clara hasn't met any of them.  Combine this with the fact that Day... most closely follows themes brought up in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and A Town Called Mercy, that The Angels Take Manhattan seems to be a one-off episode just to get rid of the Ponds, and and little of Clara's episodes tie into Day... or Time... and it makes me wonder if the Ponds stayed half a season too long or left a half-season too soon.


sontaran17
sontaran17

An exceptional conclusion to an not noly an exception Doctor, but also an exceptional series and an exceptional trilogy! Thankyou Matt Smith! Thankyou Steven Moffat and Thankyou Doctor Who! 100000/10

The 11th Doctor
The 11th Doctor

10/10 for all of them.

I've stopped voting a while back.

:P

Ninjauthor
Ninjauthor

one of my favourite smith episodes 10/10, in general I'm not that big a fan of the smith era (it didn't have anything to do with him, just the writing) but its hard to judge it as a whole because it changed so much in general though I'd say my favourite parts were s7 part 2 and the 2013 specials



Amy is Hannibal
Amy is Hannibal

@ThePotatoOne  "For instance, in the Day of the Doctor, it is explained that the three Doctors save Gallifrey by having it and its inhabitants "frozen in an instant of time" and hidden away in a parallel pocket universe until someone, i.e. the Doctor, retrieves them from that pocket universe.  Why/How then are the Time Lords able to 1) send a message through the tear in the fabric of reality, and 2) send him more regeneration energy to save him?  The only thing I can think of that comes close to making sense is that they anticipated that these things would probably need to happen before the Doctor could bring them back, so they actually sent out the message and the regeneration energy shortly before they were hidden away and they both reached the right place at the right time because "timey wimey"."


- "Frozen" was evidently a metaphor.


"And I am not even really satisfied with that idea either.  In fact, I personally don't care for the idea that the Time Lords can just give out regeneration energy all willy-nilly like that with Time Lord magic.  I know it's, like, established lore or whatever, but I don't care, I just am not a fan of that idea.  It makes the whole concept of regeneration feel less special.  I always assumed that regeneration was just intrinsically a part of a Time Lord's biology, just like the Weeping Angels' quantum lock."

- It is an intrinsic part of their biology. That was established in a Moffat episode, even. But I mean, blood is an intrinsic part of our biologies, and we can do transfusions for those. If a billions-of-years-old technological superpower couldn't synthesize regeneration energy, then I would be genuinely shocked.

"Also, I'm sure plenty of people are going to be talking about this, but what was with the nakedness?  I mean, at first it didn't bother me, I was just kinda' like "Well, it's a space church.  Of course it'll have rules and traditions that I'll find weird", but the more I sat on it, the more I feel like it is a wholly unnecessary and just plain uncomfortable plot element.  It adds literally nothing to the story other than making me feel bad for Clara because of how uncomfortable she must have been."

- When you think about it, it's actually brilliant. If you are completely naked and have nothing to defend yourself with then your survival instinct is going to override the Silents' "kill us all on sight" hypnosis. So the nudity keeps the Church's priests safe from being attacked by their followers. An Clara didn't seem that uncomfortable. She was under the impression that her hologram clothes were still covering her up, but even after she found out, she was just a bit sarcastic.

"In fact, I feel a little bad for Clara anyway because she had next to nil to do in this story at all.  The only significant thing she actually does is indirectly "save" the Doctor by pleading with the Time Lords, and its not even clear that that had anything to do with it."

- Seems pretty clear to me... she was the one who answered the Question and convinced the Time Lords to save the Doctor. If she hadn't asked them to help, they wouldn't have known that they needed to and the Doctor would have died. 

"Why did every villain ever have to show up for this special?  That didn't make the story feel any huger or more tense, that just makes me wonder why all of these villains are taking turns going after the Doctor when they can easily destroy the whole planet if they all attacked at once."

- They all showed up because they all received the message, and it was explicitly pointed out that they could have destroyed the whole planet with ease and that the Doctor was keeping them from doing just that.



TheNightmareChild sees into your soul!
TheNightmareChild sees into your soul!

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Murray Gold's music among the things I really liked in this episode.  "Infinite Potential" in particular is probably one of my favorite pieces in the entire Doctor Who OST.

Who is the Doctor
Who is the Doctor

I have to say that it was long but I have to agree with many of your points that you made. But even after the flaws, we are fans of the show and we can put up with some nagging inconsistencies and still love a episode. And that is the way it is with me, I found many of the same flaws but I still love the episode overall.

TheNightmareChild sees into your soul!
TheNightmareChild sees into your soul!

This is the longest comment I have written on an article on this site so far, so here's the TL;DR version: made almost no sense, but I liked it anyway.  7/10.

Amy is Hannibal
Amy is Hannibal

@geronimon  "The plot is barely clear"

- Seems pretty clear to me.

"the town's name is completely irrelevant during the story"

- So? Does it matter what "Cardiff" is called whenever they go there? 

"and despite the Prophecy said that nobody could fail answer, they finally do it anyway"

- But it was answered. 

"The story itself creates a monstrous paradox that is completely ignored and that acts like a chart for inexplicable events."

- No it doesn't. 

"What's more, Clara is completely useless during this episode - Time Lords were giving the regeneration pack to the Doctor anyway, because that were the only chance they had to escape from the bubble where they were trapped."

- The Time Lords wouldn't have known to send him more energy unless Clara told them that they needed to. That's why the crack closes right after she speaks to them and not a moment before. It can't imagine that being any clearer. 

"God Complex room scene is completely ruined in order to give explanation to a vague weak plot, instead to leave it in complete mystery and free interpretation for the watcher, as the writer of the episode The God Complex desired."

- Whithouse was commissioned to write the episode by Moffat. It is entirely within Moffat's right to expand on the story that Whithouse agreed and got payed to write for Moffat's series.


"The nudity in general"

- The nudity isn't misogynistic, it's a church tradition (and likely a rule that was established to protect the Silents) that both men and women have to follow.

"the sexual assault to Tasha Lem and the Doctor's commentary after his controversial actions"

- That's them flirting. They obviously are both okay with it within the context of their relationship. Moffat isn't saying that it's okay for everybody to run around and do. He's saying it's something that these two characters do because it's a part of how they interact with each other.

grumpyoldcow
grumpyoldcow

Ummm, did we see the same episode? Tasha Lem sexual assault? Don't recall that at all.

LovreLaskac
LovreLaskac

@Oncoming_Badger  I agree with almost everything except the Lodger, Closing Time and Bells of Saint John, they should be at least 7/10, and Day of the Doctor and Time of the Doctor should both be 10/10

TheDreamer
TheDreamer

Wonderful review. :) I've been imagining Tasha as a River's twin, myself... Amy could have had twins and not know it, and Madame Kovarian might have kept her as a back-up in case her plan with River backfired. I know, I have too much imagination, lol.

grumpyoldcow
grumpyoldcow

I agree with all this, except that I loved the Doctor hallucinating Amelia and Amy. I thought it was a nice way to acknowledge his love for the first face his face saw all the way back to the Eleventh Hour, as you said you know.

Brilliant episode, indeed.

Planet of the Deaf
Planet of the Deaf

@Rani Nose  I agree it seemed a bit odd having Clara coming across Angels and Silents for the first time, and 11 then having to explain them to her. It's interesting how the Doctor seems happy with his repetitive life, you suspect for the first year he would have been manic like in TPOT!



Judge Claude Frollo
Judge Claude Frollo

'I thought the Time of the Doctor was great but weird.'

You just described the whole show.

The Oncoming Storm
The Oncoming Storm

@Notsosmartguy 3/10 is very harsh, although the finale lets it down and some episodes are rubbish (6.5/6, 6.9) the others make up for it, 6.1/2 and 6.7 are brilliant not to mention 6.4 and the stand alone 6.10 and 6.11, give it more credit seriously!!

TheNightmareChild sees into your soul!
TheNightmareChild sees into your soul!

@Amy the Consulting Key Ring @ThePotatoOne  1. Metaphor for what?  What state of being could the Time Lords be in in which they can do anything at all that can be fairly represented by the term frozen?  2. Whether or not it would be probable that the Time Lords would be able to synthesize regeneration energy given their age and technological advancement is not the point.  I don't like the idea because it takes the mystery and grandeur away from the whole idea of regeneration and also kind of lessens the stakes for the Doctor and the Time Lords if they have the capability to essentially prolong their life forever.  3. The Papal Mainframe really had no other means of doing that besides making people strip down when they enter their church?  Why not just, oh, I don't know, do the same thing again, only this time change the message so that they won't kill Silents on sight?  That way they're safe whether they're at the church or on Earth or wherever.  4. "Frozen in an instant of time" seems pretty definitive to me, so again, unless it's explained better later, I can't see how they would be able to do what they did, which still brings Clara's involvement in it into question.  5. The Doctor was keeping whole armies of Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, and Kitchen Sinks at bay all by himself for 300 years before the Silents finally became involved?  I dunno, that feels like a bit of a stretch for me.




grumpyoldcow
grumpyoldcow

Excellent, Amy. Also, the Doctor was purposely aggravating her so she would get angry and break the Dalek puppet conditioning. And it worked.

Rani Nose
Rani Nose

@Clara Prefect  Ha!  I should have more clearly explained what I meant.  I didn't mean weird in the sense that there were strange twists in the story, but weird in how the story and characters harken back to Amy's time with the Doctor, not Clara's (whose involvement was cleared up in Name).

TheNightmareChild sees into your soul!
TheNightmareChild sees into your soul!

@Amy the Consulting Key Ring @ThePotatoOne  1. In The Day of the Doctor, The Time Lords were hidden away in stasis using a stasis cube, which the Doctor himself described as a "little sliver of time" held in perfect stasis in a frame (frame here means pocket universe).  Later on, he goes into slightly further detail and describes the state as an instant of time.  All of this indicates to me that someone or something that is preserved with a stasis cube is either held in an infinitesimal time loop, essentially repeating the same number of, let's say for the sake of argument, microseconds, over and over until they are released, or they are literally held in a state comparable to that of being near the center of a black hole, where the gravity is so strong that time itself literally does not move forward or backward for the person stuck there, the only difference from the stasis cube being that the Time Lords have developed a technology where they can do that without having to tamper with gravity.  2. I suppose that's a fair point, but it doesn't help me much in that regard.  3. All they would have to do is go back to literally any point in time after the Doctor's message was sent out but before humans began colonizing space and send out a message to cancel out the Doctor's message.  Problem solved.  4. See #1.  5. True, but it wouldn't have taken too many of all of them to ruin the Doctor's day since they were still able to breach the defenses anyway, however small a number of them were able to do it.  All the Doctor had was his screwdriver and handles, and they were all after the same thing.  If during that 300 years they never even try to coordinate their efforts just long enough to get down on the planet and end the Doctor, then that actually makes them seem kind of stupid and ineffectual.  Okay, and now, with all due respect, I am going to politely bow out of this discussion.  And I mean the all due respect part sincerely.  I'm not angry or frazzled by what you're saying.  Fan discussions have a tendency to get passionate sometimes, but I want you to know that I genuinely respect your opinions.  It's just that I'm sure we could keep this going back and forth forever, and I honestly just don't think I have the energy or the interest.  But I want to offer you my sincerest thanks for being this passionate about it and challenging me even a little to rethink what I've said. :)  Good day to you.

Amy is Hannibal
Amy is Hannibal

@ThePotatoOne @Amy the Consulting Key Ring  1. A metaphor for being stuck in a pocket universe with nowhere to go. From the perspective of everyone else, they aren't going anywhere. 2. Fair enough, but the Time Lords have something of a cultural aversion to immortality so they likely only distribute the new regenerative cycles in extreme cases. 3. "Change the message" how? By this point, humans had spread throughout the universe. They would have to round up a LOT of people and show them all a new recording of a Silent commanding them not to kill them all on sight. It's just unmanageable. Enforcing a nudity rule within the confines of the Mainframe is much easier. 4. That doesn't matter. The episode makes it pretty clear that they are not literally frozen in time since they are able to do things like transmit the message and respond to Clara's claims. Saying that they somehow knew they would need to send the Doctor more energy and set some sort of timer to do it for them before being frozen just makes things unnecessarily complicated. Even the three Doctors were able to move inside of the Arcadia painting. 5. There was a force field and a technology ban keeping most of them out, which would drastically decrease the amount of enemies he had to deal with at any one time.

grumpyoldcow
grumpyoldcow

:: Grumpy views scene in question. Again ::

Nope. No sexual assault.

Notsosmartguy approves of female thor
Notsosmartguy approves of female thor

I guess your right like series 4 (IMO) the arc sucked but it did have some amazing stories plus it does have one thing series 7 didn't. A Craig episode.

Galactic Yo Yo
Galactic Yo Yo

I think if you ignore the actual plot arc episodes of series 6 (at least the ones from 6b), it's actually pretty strong. I'd say the opening two parter, "The Doctor's Wife" and "The Girl Who Waited" are all pretty unassailable in their greatness, and "The God Complex" and "Closing Time" are right behind them, quality-wise.