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Best of Matt Smith: The Time of Angels / Flesh & Stone

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Across the next couple of months Doctor Who TV is running a series of polls to celebrate Matt Smith’s era. We want you to cast your votes on every episode and at the end we’ll be comprising a list to find the top scoring.

We continue with 2010’s first two-parter comprising The Time of Angels / Flesh & Stone. All you have to do is rate the story with your score out of 10, so get voting and join us again tomorrow for the next episode.

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mnsalz91
mnsalz91

These episodes almost stopped me watching I was so scared of the weeping angels.  (I had not yet seen blink.)

DrIndianaJonesThatsWho
DrIndianaJonesThatsWho

This is 'aliens' to Blinks 'alien'. Less scares, more action, different tone (even marines!) but just as awesome. 10/10 with ease

Balatsoukas Pavlos
Balatsoukas Pavlos

A highly anticipated episode, that failed to deliver in so many ways. We saw the Angels move...


Although the episode provided some more intel as to what the Angels can and cannot do, although it re-introduced River Song, an essential part of Moffat's plans for the show, although it was the first on-screen episode where the Doctor actually confronts them, I feel it was just a catchy way for the Moff's Great Intelligence to give us something to talk about with the Doctor with his coat appearing to Amy with her eyes closed, and a more deep look to the whole 'crack' bussiness.


A 6 from me. Really.

eddiescthomas
eddiescthomas

8/10. A very defiant episode and I really loved the added twists to the Weeping Angels, though I do feel the episode needed a greater impact to further express Moffat's writing. Perhaps a new director. 

SEDAKRO XIV
SEDAKRO XIV

This has to be one of my all time favorite episodes from New Who. A very well written and executed two parter that I've watched so many times I've lost count after the 20th viewing. I also like the sets used in it too, and because of this I give it 10/10 for being totally brilliant :-D

KingOrokos
KingOrokos

The first 10/10 for the Smith era! Aside from all of the expected greatness - the wonderful performances, the enthralling music, the startling direction and the chilling tone - this story is also a perfect example of why Moffat was such a popular name back in the RTD era. Free from the limitations of a complex series-long arc, he crafts an intelligent and complicated story that never ceases to amaze and terrify, completely encapsulated within itself but also linked in with the ongoing threads of the season. The return of River and the Angels was also a spectacular success. A terrific Moffat tale.

RichardDannenberg
RichardDannenberg

10/10 Exceptional, The Guardian's comment about "it being able to lay credible claim to being the greatest episode of Doctor Who there has ever been" was totally justified! :D :D :D

WhoPotterVian
WhoPotterVian

8/10. Ruined the Weeping Angels. The two parter would have worked better with the Vashta Neradas instead.

JJ2000
JJ2000

I loved this episode so much. Hilarious, scary and just 100% Doctor Who. This episode made me come to the realisation that I couldn't have both David Tennant and Matt Smith as my favourite Doctors and I had to choose one and boy, did I choose Matt. Brilliant acting, writing, directing, etc. River Song was good in it as always, so was Amy. Killed the weeping angels slightly, but I'm bloody well glad they came back. Thanks Steven Moffat for a good story/episode. Shame you can't go back to writing good episodes like these ones. I gave the episode a 7, which is quite high, because it isn't my favourite, it isn't my second favourite, it isn't in my top 5 and therefor I give it a 7 which is quite a high score in my mind. :)






The cyber King
The cyber King

One of my all time favorite Matt Smith episodes-10.

Jason_Darko
Jason_Darko

It's a ten for me; one of the best openings, everyone is on great form, the killing of Octavian is touching (I think you've seen me at my best), Matt's 'if there's one thing you never put in a trap' speech, the end scenes with River, the rising tension in the caves and spooky music, the clever ending of both episodes. These episodes along with the Eleventh Hour and Pandorica / BB are the best episodes of series 5 for me and possibly all of Matts's reign. I thought his characterisation of the Doctor was just a bit too silly in series 7 although i've loved all series of his series 5 works best as a whole for me. 

DawnTime
DawnTime

My first 10 our of 10 for Matt Smiths era. Love this two parter, Particularly think the part where Amy gets locked in the with angel coming out of the screen is very well done and effective.

WiblyWoblyTimyWimyMOFFAT
WiblyWoblyTimyWimyMOFFAT

Loved time of angles !but cant decide if it is than blink .in blink there isnt much doctor. But I liked the messages through time .it was genius !

The Finn
The Finn

What I remember from this, it was good but not great – 8/10

Romanadvoratrelundar
Romanadvoratrelundar

I have a special connection with The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone – it’s the first Doctor Who story I actually genuinely ridiculously fell in love with to the point where I watched it over and over in the space of a few days. All of this took place in my first few weeks of Whovian-ism, which means the story is sort of imprinted on my brain. It sounds really strange, but it’s the only story that I know absolutely inside and out – even with episodes that’s I’ve watched three-times as many times I don’t feel that way. I know exactly what scene is coming next, exactly what the characters are going to say, exactly what the next camera shot will be – and it all feels so natural. And yet somehow amongst all of that I still find the plot itself gripping and entertaining, even now.


All of this also means I saw it before Blink, so things such as seeing the angels move didn't bother me at all. The story is wonderfully paced, and still makes the weeping angels as scary as they were when we first met them, and has great performances from Matt Smith and Karen Gillan despite it being the first story they filmed.

Jack Johnstone
Jack Johnstone

Just wondering what everyone's thought is about the 10 year New Who Anniversary. It is about  1 year away and no one is talking about. I hope it has 9, 10, 11 and 12 in it. If they even have one. What do you want there to be in it and do you think they will even have one. 


P.S Moffat, it also happens to be Sherlocks 5 year anniversary (ish), got any ideas?  

Oncoming_Badger
Oncoming_Badger

10/10, 2nd best Matt story. It's so hugely cinematic, it's full of twists and turns, it feels as if there is proper danger, Matt and Amy are on top form in the first ever story they filmed! And to top it off one of the best cliffhangers of all time.

lukashcartoon
lukashcartoon

I thought it was a rather enjoyable two episodes.  The Angels using the voice of the dead to communicate was especially creepy. I also loved the interaction between River and The Doctor.  And that Amy had a big insight into The Doctor/River relationship.


On the negative side, the Angels did loose  some of their scare ability. The Image of an Angel really didn't sit right with me, but it wasn't a deal breaker.

Baker Street is taking a Deep Breath
Baker Street is taking a Deep Breath

When Vincent and the Doctor comes around I'm going to need an 11/10 option. It has the best conclusion of any Doctor Who story to date (although TDOTD came very close, if not joint best).

Seaborn W Deadman
Seaborn W Deadman

Ten! Scary, witty and...pretty sexy too XP. I was hooked starting when we saw River sauntering down a corridor in red heels, with a gun XD

Jack Johnstone
Jack Johnstone

I gave it a 9/10 because it was very fantastic but not quite as good as the Eleventh Hour. A great Weeping Angels episode but nowhere near as good as Blink but better then ATM (Angels Take Manhattan). So far i have given a 10, 9, 5, 9. What is the next episode?

Baker Street is taking a Deep Breath
Baker Street is taking a Deep Breath

"There's one thing you don't put in a trap if you're smart. If you value your continued existence, if you have any plans of seeing tomorrow there's one thing you never, ever, put in a trap... Me."

This quote proved that Matt was here, and that he meant business. And that he was good at speeches.

Baker Street is taking a Deep Breath
Baker Street is taking a Deep Breath

I think, even though it was the first one he filmed, Matt saved this episode. The speech was just perfect, except from Graham Norton jumping across the screen.

Deus_Ex_Machina
Deus_Ex_Machina

The Eleventh Hour was pretty average, and the two that followed are ranked among the lowest stories in my mind. This one however finally won me over. It finally gave us a great 11th Doctor story. The best angel episode to date and one of the best stories ever. 9/10.

Polyphase
Polyphase

The thing I didn't like about the whole "the image of an Angel (becomes itself an Angel)" was  that any person who looked at one would have an Angel inside them. In fact any reflective surface, Photograph etc. would be an Angel which actually didn't happen. There are things I like about the episode e.g. 2 Parter, Continuity, The timey wimey start etc.

5/10 :)

davidcm1991
davidcm1991

7, 6, 5, 8... I feel like a dyslexic member of Steps...

Mr 11
Mr 11

This was a very strong episode of Who. Great acting and direction. The Weeping Angels and River were brought back brilliantly and put to good use. Very atmospheric, engaging and creepy. Only criticism was seeing the Angels move but that doesn't stop me giving it a 10/10

sontaran17
sontaran17

10/10, Although its not as good as some of the 10/10 Epiosdes from nowadays- I cant forget my initial and lasting love for it! ... Plus.... RIVER!!!

A_Madman_With_a_Box
A_Madman_With_a_Box

It gets 8/10 for me, I really like the Weeping Angels.  There were some issues though, like making the Angels move.

Nightmarish
Nightmarish

Blink > TTOF/FAS > TATM. The angels have gotten worse with each story, and were ruined for me by the whole Statue of Liberty thing. (insert rant about how any one of the 8 million New Yorkers could have seen that angel when it was with Amy and Rory on the rooftop) 

TheDreamer
TheDreamer

@Jack Johnstone  I would like a 10th anniversary something or other too. Any reason to celebrate the show is a good reason in my eyes, lol.  Even something short like a minisode would make me happy.

Romanadvoratrelundar
Romanadvoratrelundar

@Jack Johnstone  I imagine it will probably be something like Silver Nemesis - a normal story in the series, but written specially for the 10th anniversary filled with plenty of references, the return of a New-Series monster and maybe even a companion (Donna Noble, please!). Everyone's fixated on Capaldi at the moment, they'll probably be more talk about it after his series airs.

Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!
Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!

@Jack Johnstone  I am probably alone in this sentiment, but I don't want there to be a 10th anniversary special for the modern series. I feel as though it would only emphasize the schism between the classic and modern series, which I don't think would be appropriate so soon after the 50th did so well to bind them together. To me, there isn't really a "New Who" to celebrate anymore. Just Doctor Who. And the next celebration for that will be a little less than ten years from now.

BeyondThePolice
BeyondThePolice

@Polyphase  Only if they looked directly into the eyes of an image of an Angel. Thus, even though we see quite clearly that people look directly into the eyes of Angels previously, but they don't get an Angel because they weren't the eyes. Plus, name one other time that we know of when someone took a picture or video of an Angel, or there was a mirror. The only time was in Time of the Doctor, when the Doctor tricked an Angel into looking into a mirror. Its reflection was thus an Angel itself, and both creatures looked at each other, Quantum Locking themselves.

Judge Claude Frollo
Judge Claude Frollo

Are you reffering to the grandfather paradox in general? Or that Eighth Doctor villain?

Polyphase
Polyphase

@sontaran17 I like that, All Doctor Who episodes are 10/10. Just some are better than others :)

Judge Claude Frollo
Judge Claude Frollo

I didn't enjoy the inital episode of TATM itself, but I did feel satisfied with the Ponds' exit. Well, Amy's exit, anyway.

Nightmarish
Nightmarish

Also janitors and security at Liberty Island would notice if their statue suddenly disappeared.

Pockydon
Pockydon

@Nightmarish  I enjoyed everything in TATM until they all arrived at the Winter Quay. From then on, it's as if Moffat had completely forgotten what made the Angels work. They couldn't catch up to Amy and Rory running up a flight of stairs, for goodness sake! There were so many times when no one was looking at them, and yet they didn't move. The Statue of Liberty was also a joke.

Chronos the Fannibal
Chronos the Fannibal

@Nightmarish I think just a glimpse of the Weeping Angels face for a second on the statue would have sufficed, with the characters not even noticing would have been better

Moxx
Moxx

(...Or maybe even a bug that was sitting on top of the Statue of Liberty?)

I think it's fair to say the idea of the Angels is, though awesome, flawed. Unless I'm missing something.

Rani Nose
Rani Nose

You are not alone. If they do anything I'd prefer it to be a subtle nod, like the Doctor and companion walk by Henrik's and the Doctor mentions that he doesn't like the mannequins in the window (to the utter bafflement of the companion)

Baker Street is taking a Deep Breath
Baker Street is taking a Deep Breath

I feel sorry for Rory. Amy's last words to the Doctor was the powerful "Raggedy Man... Goodbye", whilst Rory's were "next time can we just go to the pub?"

Baker Street is taking a Deep Breath
Baker Street is taking a Deep Breath

It was like Moffat just needed to get the Ponds on the rooftop and hoped the Statue of Liberty would distract everyone from the glaring error he made. Although I'm a strong Moffat supporter I have to admit that that wasn't great.

Nightmarish
Nightmarish

Same here. Also, angels would barely be able to move at all in downtown or midtown Manhattan, which makes the story unrealistic for me. one of the scariest things about the angels is that they make you look at all the statues around you with suspicion, and TATM ruined that for me.

Marscruiser
Marscruiser


@Moxx

IMO you're not missing anything.  The Angels are a brilliant idea, but I think they have a very strict set of rules, which either puts limits on the story, or results in our heroes’ solutions raising questions once the initial burst of "wow, how clever!" wears off.  

For instance, plot point: Amy fools (however temporarily) the angels into their time lock despite having her eyes closed.   Once the angels realized she couldn't actually see, they started to move.  Doesn't this imply the angels have to know you're looking at them, and then somehow lock themselves (vs. you see 'em from any angle, they freeze)?  And does that mean you could sneak up on one while it was moving if it didn't know you were there?

Another point: Blink's very climax relied on the angels not being able to look at each other without triggering the time lock.  Both angels lose in a staring contest.  How many times in TotA and FaS are there angels in each others' sight line?  How's their peripheral vision?  Does this mean they themselves can't see in the dark, and when scrambling around after cutting the lights they're moving around blindly?  (Is their only effective military formation a single row?)

The angels don't stand up to a rigorous examination as a large group together.  They were called the LONELY assassins for a reason.  

Nightmarish
Nightmarish

The bug would be sent back in time.
I love the idea of the angels, just not the way that they were used in that instance. It's also a bit creepy for people like me. Every time I go downtown I have to keep staring at the hazy outline of the statue.

Chronos the Fannibal
Chronos the Fannibal

Just Googled him, it sounds like a really interesting plot line. Maybe they can adapt this into episodes...

Judge Claude Frollo
Judge Claude Frollo

Nah, I was just kidding. I'm suspecting half the people on this site don't even know who Grandfather Paradox is.

Maybe. Suppose you kill your grandather by hiring a Weeping Angel (not like that's possible) to send nim back to the past. He ends up in the middle of World War I.

Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!
Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!

"Also, angels would barely be able to move at all in downtown or midtown Manhattan"

- That's the thing about the Angels, though. They've been around for so long that they've adapted and learned to work around their quantum lock. Turning their weakness into a strength; transforming the place in which you would expect them to be totally unable to move into a feeding ground.