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Best of Matt Smith: The Rebel Flesh / The Almost People

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Across the next couple of months Doctor Who TV is running a series of polls to celebrate Matt Smith’s era. We want you to cast your votes on every story and at the end we’ll be comprising a list to find the top scoring.

We continue Series 6 with the second two-parter comprising The Rebel Flesh and The Almost People. All you have to do is rate the story with your score out of 10, so get voting and join us again tomorrow for the next episode.

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Taz C
Taz C

7/10 for the first half, I think, nicely developed themes and characters, and I did actually enjoy the cliffhanger. 3/10 for most of the second, especially the way it dealt with the aforementioned cliffhanger (I rather expected the Ganger-Doctor to be an antagonist and the pre-credits thing did seem to set that up, but then he stabilised and got sane and proper-looking surprisingly quickly), and for the rather awful Ganger-monster, but 10/10 for the cliffhanger.

WhoMallow666
WhoMallow666

6/10, good enough idea but the characters and the execution weren't very appealing

DawnTime
DawnTime

Hmm I don't often go below a 6 for a Doctor Who Ep, but sorry only a 5 from me.  Not sure why I don't like this two part story but whenever I come to them when I am watching the box set I tend to skip them. Sorry.!

Planet of the Deaf
Planet of the Deaf

Just one of those stories that did nothing much for me at the time, and an example of why 2 parters aren't always a good thing. Indeed I wonder if this story is one of the reasons why Moff didn't include any 2 parters in S7?

5/10


Pockydon
Pockydon

The Rebel Flesh was a decent enough set up, the The Almost People was one of the worst written, shoddily acted and downright boring pieces of crap that I've ever had to sit through. I would honestly rather watch Love and Monsters than The Almost People, because at least I can laugh at Love and Monsters. With this, I'm just bored the whole way through. The first part of this story was alright, but the second part completely drops the ball in every way possible. 

3/10

doctorwhofan63
doctorwhofan63

Exterminate it. It's my least favourite story. On only my second rewatch I fell asleep. That doesn't happen with good Doctor Who :P

DoctorWhoInfinity
DoctorWhoInfinity

5/10 very average episode the only thing keeping it 5/10 is because of the ending the big shocker cliffhanger

WhoPotterVian
WhoPotterVian

7/10- Very dull two-parter. Promises so much and delivers so little.

Angie Whodini
Angie Whodini

I really like these episodes, a fun run with some great pathos and a truly significant metaphor. Matt's double act is just hilarious and Amy's discrimination is very interesting as an audience. I tried not to, but sometimes I caught myself disdaining gangerEleven. Anyway, 'very good' so it gets an 8/10 from me.

McTardis
McTardis

Personally, I believe this episode is unjustly underrated. The concept was ingenious in my opinion, and honestly is one of the only Who episodes of this series that actually made me THINK, and reflect on our society, and where it's heading. I will admit, the the final part of the second episode was a bit dodgy, I mean Jennifer becoming a kind of creature reminiscent of the Lazarus experiment was a tad ridiculous and I feel was just there so as to facilitate a good old chase around the corridors at the end, however ganger Jennifer sent chills down my spine whenever she spoke. Such an underrated villain, considering she is probably one of the most 3-dimensional villains DW has ever had. And who could forget that cliff hanger? IMO they should have left that as the last episode of series 6 part 1, my head was spinning for days after that. 9/10.





Balatsoukas Pavlos
Balatsoukas Pavlos

Above average, this one. Some good elements, some great, some bad, some memorable. 7/10...

Antee991166
Antee991166

5/10 First episode was actually pretty good, but I was very disappointed by the second part as everything fell to pieces.

Amy the Consulting Key Ring
Amy the Consulting Key Ring

5/10. There's good in it, and there's bad in it. It's an even split for me. So I'll call this one "average."


-Astronaut/Moon: 10/10

-Curse: 5/10

-Wife: 8/10

-Flesh/People: 5/10


Ninjauthor
Ninjauthor

4/10 they had some good elements but the rest was just mediocre

FMOB11
FMOB11

Now THIS was a good pair of episodes. I know I'll get a lot of hate for saying this, but Smith's episodes up until now never interested me nearly as much as say, Tennants or Ecclestones. But this was some really good stuff.

RichardDannenberg
RichardDannenberg

10/10, Such a scary, funny, creepy, disturbing and human story! :)

TheIdleIdol
TheIdleIdol

If anyone remembers me rambling on about The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People in the past, they'll know exactly how much love I have for these episodes. They're amongst the most underrated stories since 2005, and serve as an example of what the show can achieve when it pushes the outdated 'monster of the week' story archetype aside and builds real, human stories - it was strong social science fiction, which is something I'd like to see a little more often in Doctor Who. It wasn't without flaw, and even falls limply to one side when compared to The Girl Who Waited (which was even more exemplary of solid, human-centric stories without villainy), but it built the most well-rounded supporting cast of characters to date, it opened up the proverbial Pandora's Box (or Pandorica..) of moral, ethical and philosophical questions, and was a superb reflection of society in the face of danger, demonstrating how quickly battle-lines can be drawn and how irrationally and aggressively we can act when under duress. 


It also did wonders for Rory; even in spite of his 2000-year stint guarding the Pandorica, he never really felt fully fleshed out as a companion to me. He acted more like a lapdog than a person much of the time, defined almost solely by his unflinching devotion to his wife - and then, in these episodes, he suddenly grows one hell of a spine and acts against her orders, running off in the midst of impending battle to find Jennifer out of altruism and concern for her. From this moment on, I became a big Rory fan. As the series progressed (with the pinnacle for me being the aforementioned The Girl Who Waited) he continued to develop and gain character, but for me it was all jump-started in these episodes. This is when he really started to define himself independently from his partner and shine in his own right. The pitfalls of this episode were evident - plot points that seem only half-conceived (the eyes in the walls; there "to accuse"), the Doctor's weirdly out-of-character outburst toward Amy when she told him inadvertently of his coming death, and of course the horrific and completely unnecessary CGI abomination near the end (which almost served to subvert everything that come before it in terms of it being a story told in shades of grey, with no monster other than a scared bunch of humans). I'm also still disappointed that the final moments in the factory were never followed up on either - the Doctor telling his ganger "You could survive this, you know". It worked as a red herring, leading people to assume that this clone is how The Doctor survives his assassination, but I'd much rather that they'd gone with this than the ridiculous Tesselecta. It just seems like a much better idea IMO - I have wondered whether this was originally the plan, until Moffat came up with the concept for Let's Kill Hitler. Sadly, I'll probably never know. All in all, it's a 9/10 from me. Not quite good enough for the highest honour, but still a cut above a great deal of the show's output.

Nightmarish
Nightmarish

9/10. I enjoyed it. It was scary, also Matt was fantastic.

carlosvalero772
carlosvalero772

8/10 for me. i actually enjoyed it a lot, but of couse it wasnt perfect. So far, i havent voted a Dw story below 7.


lino1712
lino1712

This is one of those episodes where it tricks you into thinking it is good by having a well executed twist ending, 2 out of 10, The ending twist was good the rest sucked balls

LeightonWestwoo
LeightonWestwoo

As we're doing the best of Matt Smith pole I think you should involve Death of the Doctor, I know it's part of the Sarah Jane adventures but I think Matt Smith excels himself through this story. Meeting two classic companions deserve to be noticed. I love the scene where he meets Sarah Jane Smith, it's just so touching. Smith is great in this story and really is at ease with Elisabeth Slsden and Katy Manning. I'd rate this episode 10 out of 10

Alfio Lescano
Alfio Lescano

Why don't you people like these two episodes? I think that they're one of  the bests episodes of Matt. I give it a 10/10

Deus_Ex_Machina
Deus_Ex_Machina

Out of curiosity DWTV, will you be listing A Good Man Goes to War and Let's Kill Hitler as a single two-part story, or as two separate stories? I ask because I have seen it listed as both. I hope you do them separately because AGMGTW was the highlight of the series, while LKH is one of the worst pieces of garbage ever to have found its way into my DVD collection.

Deus_Ex_Machina
Deus_Ex_Machina

A good episode, but not really that memorable. In fact, I forgot that this one existed and was expecting to see A Good Man Goes to War as this morning's poll. 6/10.





JolomontheDestroyer
JolomontheDestroyer

5/10 A rip off from the hungry earth and cold blood. Plus the story could've been better and the actor's have no personality. The gangers do look great and the episode had it's moments however.

JJ2000
JJ2000

7 - Good. It was an absolutely brilliant story. One of the best EVER!!!! Brilliant writing from a brilliant writer, brilliant creatures that weren't bad guys, they were good as well. It was just so good. The acting was also very good. It just isn't in my Top 5 to get an 8 or my second favourite episode EVER to get a 9 or my favourite/best EVER to get a 10.

Anthony Retondo
Anthony Retondo

Definitely my least favorite two-parter of the Smith era and one of my least favorite stories :( Aside from the incredible cliffhanger there is nothing I remember too fondly. A really weak supporting cast imo, and a cliched storyline. 

Chronos the Fannibal
Chronos the Fannibal

Whenever I see the Gangers I feel like poking them in the face, because they look so squishy

Judge Claude Frollo
Judge Claude Frollo

I'm giving it a 6/10. Good episode, but it really wasn't all that memorable until the second episode's ending.

Tennant_Capaldi
Tennant_Capaldi

Bet this will be near the bottom . The episode was abysmal

TheOncomingFish
TheOncomingFish

9/10- I can never understand why this story gets so much hate, I thought the concepts explored were brilliant. 

DrWhoGoesThere
DrWhoGoesThere

Not the best episode ever, however, the Jennifer monster (for me) was one of the scariest monsters Doctor Who has ever had.  7/10.

Chronos the Fannibal
Chronos the Fannibal

Y'know when you have PVA and put some of your hand then let it dry only to rip it off? I feel like dipping my whole arms into that Ganger bath. Even though it won't be the same but still... (please tell me I'm not the only one) :/

TimeLord22
TimeLord22

6/10. Matt Smith looked super scary in the ganger make-up.

gunslinger19
gunslinger19

this story essentially suffered from terrible characterization imo. characters seemed to change personality for pretty much no reason and Cleve's sudden descension into a psychopath was necessary for the plot but felt incredibly strange to me. Rory and Jennifer were quite boring I didn't invest in either of them as characters in this story (I love Rory generally). I didn't really care about the 'moral dilemma' of the gangers it seemed too similar to the Silurian 2-parter a year earlier. and I wasn't a fan of that either. I never understood why the flesh-doctor appeared to turn bad before changing sides again and Im not sure if that actually was the flesh doctor and not the actual doctor now that I think about it. but the main problem with the episode was Amy's out of character discrimination between doctors. there was absolutely no reason why her character should do this, especially given her implied exclusion from normal life due to her belief in the doctor. why would she decide to exclude the duplicate doctor? and the thing with the shoes was just contrived. "Your twice the man I thought you were" is almost as cringable as angie in nightmare in silver. actually its not close but never mind. it would have been more interesting perhaps if Amy had decided to try to trick the clone doctor into going to Silencio and getting killed instead of the real doctor perhaps. that would be a far more interesting than the moral dilmma this episode gave us. I also hated the random transformation at the end. having said this, it wasn't all bad. on second viewing I thought It improved massively and the inter doctor banter was decent. the character with the son was the one new character that I invested in and could put up with for the entire episode. the first half was better than the second in terms of pacing and I was genuinely excited for the second half after such an awesome cliff hanger. the second cliffhanger with Amy's pregnaancy was also great and the flesh doctor and Cleve's deaths were exciting and had an epic feel. Overall a 5/10.

harold92_
harold92_

I'm having mixed feelings about these eps. At points they are brilliant, at points they just drag on and on and feel real slow! The cliffhanger was brilliant of course. I'm gonna have to say a 7/10 for me!

Jono81
Jono81

@Amy the Consulting Commentator  The way I see it, every episode is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don't always soften the bad things, but vice-versa, the bad things don't necessarily spoil the good things and make them unimportant.




The cyber King
The cyber King

Thank goodness I'm not the only one that found her down right horrifying.

harold92_
harold92_

@Chronos the Nephew I always want to jump in such stuff. XD I can't even explain why I want to... Glad I finally found someone who feels (to some extend at least :P) the same!

Deus_Ex_Machina
Deus_Ex_Machina

That is a good point though. LKH would feel much more at home on Red Dwarf. Perhaps Moffat should write a story or two for them whenever the next season decides to smeggin' manifest itself.


harold92_
harold92_

@Chronos the Nephew I really wonder if it would feel like water or more like some slimy thing... It looks heavier than water iirc XD