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Best of Matt Smith: Let’s Kill Hitler

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Across the next couple of months Doctor Who TV is running a series of polls to celebrate Matt Smith’s era. We want you to cast your votes on every story and at the end we’ll be comprising a list to find the top scoring.

We continue Series 6 with the part 2 opener, Let’s Kill Hitler. All you have to do is rate the story with your score out of 10, so get voting and join us again tomorrow for the next episode.

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AlfredOazard
AlfredOazard

I think this is the first episode I had doubts about the Moffat's era. For the first time, the story seemed rushed, and the characterization was awkward (River's changes her mind too fastly, and it makes the whole Silent Plan quite stupid). There are some fine bits (the Mel's twist, the Sherlock's scene, the Tesselecta), but Eleven's death was a bit boring, and the resolution is disappointing. Not a bad episode, but Moffat's first rushed script. 7/10

Maryanne123
Maryanne123

Massively entertaining and rewards multiple viewing. Extraordinarily beautiful visuals, the quality acting from the leads amd supports we've come to expectbin Moff's era and sets up ideas and themes for later episodes. Do yourself a favour and get lost in the glorious jumble of Moff's mind. Definitely 10/10. Love, love , love it!

KingOrokos
KingOrokos

Whilst I personally very much enjoyed this episode, I understand a lot of the complaints people have with it. For example, my favourite aspect of Let's Kill Hitler is the script, which is one of Moffat's finest; I'm not talking about complex plots or clever concepts, I'm talking about quick pacing, rapid-fire dialogue and exposition that doesn't feel forced, flowing naturally as the story progresses. The flip side of this is that Moffat moves quickly through a lot of ideas which resultantly get somewhat truncated, giving them little emotional weight - Mels barely has time to register before she's been shot, and the search for Melody Pond is resolved almost immediately following A Good Man Goes To War's supposedly-massive cliffhanger. Even though I would praise the episode, for its excellent production design and its sharp humour, I can see why some viewers would take issue with the rushed arc progression or the convoluted sequence of events. So as this is a personal opinion poll, I'm going to give it an 8/10 - but I understand why others might score it less.

MikeRoberts1
MikeRoberts1

It's average.  Some of it great, some of it not so great.  Rewatchable.

RoryTheRoman
RoryTheRoman

I have mixed feelings about this episode. The whole episode comes across as quite silly, and not well done.  The one thing I really like about this episode is the whole scene when the Doctor is dying, and he's more concerned about River. I love that part!



WhoMallow666
WhoMallow666

such a great idea, sooo quotable, but it felt very rushed... 9/10 just because of "Rory, put Hitler in the cupboard." and "I'm standing in a giant robot replica of my wife... trying really hard not to see this as a metaphor."

WhoPotterVian
WhoPotterVian

10/10- So what if the title is misleading? It's still good fun.

Sipodge
Sipodge

Ridiculous episode. They could have done so much with an episode about going back in time to kill Hitler and seeing the consequences in the modern day, but no - It was used (And abused) as a backdrop for the next part of Moffat's Space / Time Soap Opera... 

Doctor Capaldi
Doctor Capaldi

1/10. Despise it. Such potential, but so badly executed. Though it does have some ups: "Rory, put Hitler in the cupboard"

Helluuuuuu
Helluuuuuu

10/10 Simply for one line "Rory, put Hitler in the cupboard!"

lukashcartoon
lukashcartoon

"You named your daughter after herself"

Rory gets to hit Adolf hitler, and put him into the cupboard.

"Hello Benjamin"

"You got a time machine, I've got a gun, what the hell- let's kill Hitler"

There are only two small weakness in the show. 1) the introduction of Mel's should have been done before this episode. 2) if Amy and Rory are in their mid twenties- then they were born in 80's. What the hell was melody do for ten years?

Anthony Retondo
Anthony Retondo

Perhaps the comments and ratings for this episode so far prove that negative opinions are often more vocal than positive ones. I always thought everyone hated "Let's Kill Hitler." Haha but apparently it's just that the ones who hate it don't stop letting everyone know.  

RoryWilliamsPond
RoryWilliamsPond

It was a great episode, but I will admit that this is where River's story starts to drop. Her love and adoration for the Doctor comes on so suddenly from being all psychopathy and trying to kill him. We see nothing of River and The Doctor's developing relationship that we were promised all those years ago back in The Library. 



JailBanksters
JailBanksters

Oh shut up, Dad. I'm focusing on a dress size !


Fun bits, Sad bits, lots of things I just missed the first time I saw it.

A very complicated plot, but it worked and I really liked it.


LaraHarris
LaraHarris

Loved this episode. My favourite line in it is; 


I'm so sorry. Leg went to sleep. Just had a quick left leg power nap. I forgot I had one scheduled. Actually, better sit down. I think I heard the right one yawning.

Brilliantly delivered, perfect timing.








grumpyoldcow
grumpyoldcow

This is the episode that forced me to decide to like or dislike Moffat's timey-wimey stuff. First time I saw it I thought it was the biggest mess ever, to the point that I thought I'd missed something. Not ashamed to say it took several viewings of paying attention and trying not to overthink everything to decide it is brilliant. Moffat at his best with all the mashed up timelines, his, hers , theirs whatever. I took the advice of someone else on another site, who, frustrated once with people asking questions he thought the answers were explained in episode (not this one though), simply said, people, watch the episode as presented, listen to the dialog, don't jump to conclusions. Applying that advice to this episode really helped me to understand what was going on onscreen. Is it a perfect episode? To me, no. But a brilliant one, and very under rated. If viewers don't like the River/Doctor arc and their meeting out of sequence stories I don't think they will ever like these. I do.

Massively entertaining, with the new - the Teselecta, and the old - incorporating and/or explaining River's blue diary, "spoilers", the Doctor lies, etc. this episode is as entertaining as it is informative.

That Moffat. Was he preparing us for "kidneys" here? How about the regeneration limit, which as a new viewer I didn't know about, with the TARDIS interface reminding the Doctor that regeneration was disabled and that he was going to die. Apparently it wasn't the poison disabling the regeneration, but that he simply had none left. Clever, Moffat, to tell the viewers this so long ago.

Anyhow, great episode.

RecycledCompanion
RecycledCompanion

7/10 -- fun for the historical stuff, loved Rory, and I enjoyed seeing Melody/River regenerate. Some stuff didn't make sense (even with my ability to suspend disbelief wrt the most outlandish Doctor Who plots), but I still enjoyed it.

Judge Claude Frollo
Judge Claude Frollo

I do enjoy this episode, even if it's messy. 8/10.

But seriously, am I the only one who likes River Song's backstory?

TheNightmareChild will ascertain its true nature
TheNightmareChild will ascertain its true nature

This episode kind of ruined River Song for me.  First of all, I'm not even a huge fan of her being Amy and Rory's child.  That kind of felt "shark jumpy" to me, mostly because it made the whole Doctor Who universe feel smaller.  If River had to be related to Amy and Rory at all, I would've preferred it be more distant.  If she was even their granddaughter or something instead of their daughter, I would've felt better about it.  But as far as her backstory in "Let's Kill Hitler", I think my biggest bugaboo is that it doesn't really make sense.  She was supposedly childhood friends of Amy and Rory this whole time, which begs all sorts questions like what the hell here living arrangement was, if she was adopted, if she somehow was surviving all on her own or whatever.  And then there's the whole thing about how she's been engineered by The Kovarian Sect to be a psychopath bent on killing the Doctor.  That's a bit of a stretch by itself, but it wasn't impossible to make work.  The problem was River's whole progression from psychopath bent on killing the Doctor to love stuck fangirl/frequent savior/caller upon of the Doctor was handled so badly.  My problem with it is that there was literally no progression.  There was no development between those two states, Amy just tells her who she is and all of a sudden, she turns noble and sacrifices her regeneration energy for the Doctor.  It was so weird and rushed that it feels like she didn't even go through a change in that respect and that she's still a psychopath and has decided for some reason to drag out her mission to a later time, which doesn't make any sense and we know is not true because we know how her story ends in the Forest of the Dead.  In the end, she's just one of the most confused and non-sensical characters in the show and it's all thanks to this episode.  And besides this, the episode itself was just so-so for me.  There were some funny gags and lines and such, but it really didn't take its title as far as it could have.  Hitler's name is in the freakin' title, and yet he has what can only generously be called a cameo appearance in the whole episode.  In my opinion, this is one of the most disappointing episodes that Moffat has ever written.

Oncoming_Badger
Oncoming_Badger

I don't get how people can hate on Beast Below and Curse of the Black Spot, etc. when this piece of tripe is out there. Such an un satisfying follow up to AGMGTW, 1/10

JJ2000
JJ2000

6 - Some quite good bits, a bit underrated, but not the best, but quite very interesting.

Riversmith
Riversmith

I loved this episode - it is a River Song showpiece.
Having seen the tragic end of older River in the library, we now see the marked contrast of her "explosive" beginning and watch the whirlwind effects the revelation has on the Doctor, Amy and Rory.

My favourite scene is where River and the Doctor circle each other, dance-like, when he describes her as "my bespoke psychopath", and the way they anticipate each other during her attempts to kill him - like some bizarre, yet intimate, choreographed battle.

Gallade Zero
Gallade Zero

Ignoring the big pink elephant in the room that is the Doctor's line about regenerating, I thought this was a great episode. Going back to River's roots and her past as Mels was interesting (even if the way they 'inserted' her into Amy and Rory's past raised more questions than it answered), and the Doctor was enjoyable to watch throughout.

The Tesseract is also a very fascinating concept, and, yeah... the Doctor meeting Hitler. The most awkward meeting in the universe, and Moffat somehow found a way to make it even MORE awkward. Definitely one of the better episodes he's written in his own era, 8/10.

JolomontheCube
JolomontheCube

5/10 should've focused on the title and NOT on messing up River Song's back-story and spoiling the finale ("the woman who kills the doctor" Really?)

PaddyB
PaddyB

@ivegotkidneys I think that both Let's Kill Hitler and Love and Monsters were both great. I can't say the same for The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe.

Aztecs, Daleks and Cavemen
Aztecs, Daleks and Cavemen

@Anthony Retondo I prefer praising stories I like over denigrating those I don't. I didn't like Let's Kill Hitler, but I'd prefer to go no about how amazing I thought Dalek or Midnight or The Caves of Androzani were.

WhoMallow666
WhoMallow666

She spent a lifetime obsessing over him. She probably grew up being told the only reason she exists is the Doctor. She had to know his weaknesses, meaning she grew up hearing stories about his adventures. It seems logical to me that one kind of obsession could change to another, maybe not love but infatuation isn't that far of a leap.

Romanadvoratrelundar
Romanadvoratrelundar

@JailBanksters Exactly how I feel. It was a total one-liner goldmine and one of the most hilarious episodes of series 6, but somehow managed to pull off a great balance of emotions.


Romanadvoratrelundar
Romanadvoratrelundar

@LaraHarris Mine is still "Ladies and gentlemen, I have absolutely nothing to wear. TAKE OFF YOUR CLOTHES." Or possibly "Well, I was on my way to this gay gypsy Bar Mitzvah for the disabled when I suddenly thought, "Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish. I think I'll kill the Führer". Who's with me?". Psychopathic River is hilarious xD




Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!
Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!

@grumpyoldcow  Personally, I still believe that the interface was referring to the poison having shut down his regenerative organs. "Disabled" is an odd term to apply to a function that has been naturally exhausted, and he did still possess some lingering regeneration energy as demonstrated in "The Angels Take Manhattan" (which is fine, since Time Lords do retain some small amount of regeneration energy even once they have entered their thirteenth incarnation; after all, Azmael was on his last life and he still managed to force a thirteenth regeneration (granted, he failed to make it to the next body and promptly died, but logically he still had enough energy left to start it with)). So by forcefully shutting down his regenerative organs, the poison covers more possibilities - it keeps him from healing himself with whatever regeneration energy he has, and it precludes him from regenerating even in the event that he is given more. But of course, the Doctor was shocked, panicking, and a bit delirious at the time, so he likely wasn't thinking straight when he said "better regenerate then," and was desperately grasping at straws. Plus, if the poison wasn't capable of shutting down his regenerative organs, then it would be pretty dumb of River to try to use it to kill him, since she knows he can regenerate. But that's just my opinion/interpretation of it all.

WhoMallow666
WhoMallow666

I love all of River's episodes and this is one my faves

RecycledCompanion
RecycledCompanion

@ThePotatoOne All of those plot holes and stretches are things I didn't like, as well. Somehow, though, I still enjoyed the fun factor, and I really liked Rory here (again!), so I rated it higher. Still, it was a disappointment. (And I'm glad your comment was long, so mine didn't have to be! LOL!)

JolomontheCube
JolomontheCube

I did like the idea of the tessalecta and the anti-bodies were awesome. There was just too much going on and a lack of focus on the story. Is it about Hitler? Is it about River Song? Is it about the tessalecta? Is it about the Doctor dying (again)?


what? what is it about?


Also, if I'm gonna get this much backlash for this, I'm gonna be slaughtered in Asylum of the Daleks and The Angels take Manhattan

TheCapaldiMasterplan
TheCapaldiMasterplan

@Jolomonthewise  How did it spoil the finale? When that line was said, it was referring to the finale, but the audience believed it was referring to this episode.

Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!
Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!

@Jolomonthewise  In what way was River's backstory messed up by this episode? She had no backstory prior to this other than what we had seen, and all of that came after this from her point of view. This delved deeper into her backstory; it did not undo what had already been established.

Taz C
Taz C

Even if it had referred to the finale, it wasn't this episode that spoiled it - A Good Man Goes To War had her mentioning "now they've taken a child, and they're going to turn her into a weapon just to bring you down" and then revealing she was Melody, so anyone could work out from that that she kills the Doctor. Anyway 9/10, I must be one of the few people who adore this episode.










JolomontheCube
JolomontheCube

@Taz C Quite frankly, it was predictable from the start but they should've confirmed it in the finale not LKH